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Old 07-14-2013, 04:59 PM   #16
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FClef, I tried to reply to your post also, but it didn't take for some reason. Your points are well taken (seriously). That's not just a canned answer now nor at any other time to anyone else. Thx.

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"Is it possible for a gas valve, when depressing the pilot knob to light it up, to put too much gas to furnace, even if you put the match in first?"

I'm sure it's possible, depending on the type of valve, although I've never seen it. What is more likely, and what I have seen, is the pilot safety not shutting off the flow of gas to the pilot, and sometimes even the main burner failing open. You'll notice on the directions on all appliances to shut the gas supply off and wait at least 5 minutes before attempting to relight, to let the gas dissipate. You may smell the excess gas, you may not. My training and experience enable me to quickly identify these sorts of problems, as well as other potential safety issues. An unqualified worker likely won't have this ability, and could therefore put himself and others in danger.
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I have to agree in that you may be getting yourself in over your head a bit and with lawyers and liability issues etc ignorance of the law is no excuse. You do not have a gas license and if there is a unsafe condition which results in delayed ignition or CO poisioning could be in some SERIOUS trouble. Working with ACs is one thing as they don't usually blow up but working with gas and ESPECIALLY Propane which is heavier than air is much more dangerous. These old antique furnaces can be dangerous and you already had one with gas leaking around the stem of the valve as the grease dries up. W/O a license nobody will defend you and I doubt you want to lose your home and everything you have worked for. There are NO self taught gas techs as we all work with a gas fitter or licensed tech for 6 months to a year or more. NO court will cut you slack for being a nice guy.
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Old 07-14-2013, 05:34 PM   #19
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If you do work in the parks, but not an employee, that makes you a handyman. If you do not hold a license for this type of work, you are endangering not only yourself, but the residents of the structures.

Stop right now, and suggest that if the park owns these structures, either invest money in them to update them, or do like most mobile home parks, and start closing the villages, due to the property owners want money, not to take care of the residents that are renting from them.

Sounds to me that you are doing some shade tree work under the table for slum lords, in my opinion.
Thank you Gregzoll, I'll go talk to the property owners first thing in the morning. In the mean time, if you have anything further to regale me with, please do...
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I have to agree in that you may be getting yourself in over your head a bit and with lawyers and liability issues etc ignorance of the law is no excuse. You do not have a gas license and if there is a unsafe condition which results in delayed ignition or CO poisioning could be in some SERIOUS trouble. Working with ACs is one thing as they don't usually blow up but working with gas and ESPECIALLY Propane which is heavier than air is much more dangerous. These old antique furnaces can be dangerous and you already had one with gas leaking around the stem of the valve as the grease dries up. W/O a license nobody will defend you and I doubt you want to lose your home and everything you have worked for. There are NO self taught gas techs as we all work with a gas fitter or licensed tech for 6 months to a year or more. NO court will cut you slack for being a nice guy.
Thx again Yuri.
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Old 07-14-2013, 05:43 PM   #21
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as i have said many time before...this is a diy site...but..handymen..and homeowners..should not do work the requires a license to do so .....and no its not job security ..I put in my 40 + yrs ...ben sr
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First rule of making a living : PROTECT your A**SS from lawsuits, backstabbers, authorities, crooked homeowners etc. ALWAYS assume something could go wrong and the authorities may be after you. Sooner or later something will go wrong with gas and when you have to defend yourself against Professional Mechanical Engineers that the gas authority has and courts use/will call then you are really up the creek. Beenthere twice myself and fortunately could go head to head with them as I know my stuff and have several licenses. VERY unpleasant experiences though.
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First rule of making a living : PROTECT your A**SS from lawsuits, backstabbers, authorities, crooked homeowners etc. ALWAYS assume something could go wrong and the authorities may be after you. Sooner or later something will go wrong with gas and when you have to defend yourself against Professional Mechanical Engineers that the gas authority has and courts use/will call then you are really up the creek. Beenthere twice myself and fortunately could go head to head with them as I know my stuff and have several licenses. VERY unpleasant experiences though.
could not have said it better yuri ..yea been there also not pleasant...thats why I always stress about not doing things that a person is not trained or licensed to do ..even if he is somewhat handy..ben sr
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First rule of making a living : PROTECT your A**SS from lawsuits, backstabbers, authorities, crooked homeowners etc. ALWAYS assume something could go wrong and the authorities may be after you. Sooner or later something will go wrong with gas and when you have to defend yourself against Professional Mechanical Engineers that the gas authority has and courts use/will call then you are really up the creek. Beenthere twice myself and fortunately could go head to head with them as I know my stuff and have several licenses. VERY unpleasant experiences though.
What happened that you had to defend yourself about?
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too close to blowing my secret identity if my boss reads these posts. had to do with CO poisoning or the potential for it. sooner or later something will go seriously wrong when you work with gas (oil too and same with electric furnaces and burnt wiring etc)
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Ok then...
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More dangerous? Not really. But doesn't make it any safer either.
No kiddin', really ?
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No kiddin', really ?

LOL. Your the guy that doesn't know what he's working on. So no I'm not kidding.
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More dangerous? Not really. But doesn't make it any safer either.

justplumducky: No kiddin', really ?

beenthere: LOL. Your the guy that doesn't know what he's working on. So no I'm not kidding.

Yepper, so true, and I just love that little whistlin' guy, even when it's directed at me , BUT since everyone was encouraging me to scrap it, I ABSOLUTELY thought it was going to be more safe than the others

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More dangerous? Not really. But doesn't make it any safer either.

justplumducky: No kiddin', really ?

beenthere: LOL. Your the guy that doesn't know what he's working on. So no I'm not kidding.

Yepper, so true, and I just love that little whistlin' guy, even when it's directed at me , BUT since everyone was encouraging me to scrap it, I ABSOLUTELY thought it was going to be more safe than the others


Until you post pis of it. None of us know what your dealing with to say for sure.

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