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Old 12-16-2007, 02:17 PM   #16
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so if I shut off the valves to the downstairs all the water will go upstairs, right?
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:39 PM   #19
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I also have one of those fill-trol tanks, maybe i need more air?
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I am confused?
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:53 PM   #21
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Any chance you can take a picture of your boiler with all the valves in the frame?
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Yes and I will upload them in about five minutes
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this is the whole system
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it didnt add the attachments, it wont upload my pictures
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Your pix are probably too big. Try making the image size (file size) smaller.
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Is this a steam system or hot water with circulation pump?
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Old 12-18-2007, 01:50 PM   #27
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OK I did what you said and looked at the whole system. Where all the pipes go where the goes and comes out, everything. With my husband we figured out how to open the flow valve and did so. Nothing really happened so we tried closing one of the lines that feeds the down stairs baseboard, I ran to the second floor, opened the baseboard valves and got a lot of air at first and then water from the one bedroom, excited yes. But when we opened the valve back up in basement and shut the flow valve again no more water upstairs. So I sat back and lookes and thought again here are my observations.
1. We have no hot water heater, just a boiler which feeds both our heat lines and hot water.
2. We have a water softner which is connected just after our water pump from our well. On the softner is a filter that has valve to turn off the water before and after it. My husband said that when he changes the filter he only closes the one valve. So I think that is where we are getting our extra air.
My thinking is, and help me if I m wrong, if we shut the hot water off the sink and appliances and allow the boiler to only feed the heat lines and all the air is out that should correct it? Someone let me know and I will try it. Thanks
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No. Air isn't getting into your radiators through your water lines. Your Domestic Hot Water is heated in a heat exchanger in your boiler, so the DHW is completely isolated from the radiator water.

The only connection between the domestic water pipes and the radiators is through that fill valve. The fill valve doesn't look like a hose faucet. It's a little metal thing with a lever on top. It's actually a pressure regulator, and when the radiator system has low pressure, the fill valve admits more water.



These are usually set at 12psi at the factory, which is enough to push water up about 25 feet. If your regulator is at your basement ceiling, and your highest radiators are 2nd floor baseboards, you should be fine with the 12psi setting.

If your furnace only has 9psi, that might be your problem. Perhaps that's not enough pressure to push water up to the 2nd floor. 1psi is 2.3 column feet of water. So 9psi can push water about 20 feet above your furnace. I'd think that would be enough, but maybe the gauge is wrong.

I think pressure reducing fill valves can be adjusted for higher or lower pressures, so I'd try increasing yours until the boiler reads 12 psi. Then try bleeding the radiators again.
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