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Old 01-30-2010, 09:43 AM   #31
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Hi BT,

Yes, the air handler is variable speed. Its a Trane TWE040E13FB.

If discontinued, why would Trane show them as current heat pump models?

No excuse for telling me its the Government's fault (though it is for many other issues) instead of saying Trane no longer makes an R-22 unit. Or do they?
Because until Jan 1st of this year. They were still allowed to make them.
And Trane had them in stock. Except for maybe the 14i.

EPA regs make it so no manufacturer can make new units that have R22 for sale in the USA anymore.

It is the gov regs that make it that way.

If your air handler is a VS. Then only the indoor coil has to be changed. And possibly it doesn't have to be changed. Just its metering device.

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Old 01-30-2010, 10:14 AM   #32
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Production of R22 systems,all brands,had to stop by the end of 2009. Installation of complete R22 systems is now illegal for new construction or replacement jobs so it's easy to see why nobody wanted to be sitting on warehouses full of the stuff. Still a few pieces out there but most is long gone.
Making and importation of the refrigerant R22 itself has also been cut back. The latest report shows there will be a 20% shortfall in need for this year alone. In another 5 years R22 is going to mighty hard to find and expensive. Remember the phase out of R12 in cars? It went from less then $2 a pound to over $70 a pound. Hopefully R22 wont be that drastic but only time will tell.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:59 PM   #33
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Production of R22 systems,all brands,had to stop by the end of 2009. Installation of complete R22 systems is now illegal for new construction or replacement jobs so it's easy to see why nobody wanted to be sitting on warehouses full of the stuff. Still a few pieces out there but most is long gone.
Making and importation of the refrigerant R22 itself has also been cut back. The latest report shows there will be a 20% shortfall in need for this year alone. In another 5 years R22 is going to mighty hard to find and expensive. Remember the phase out of R12 in cars? It went from less then $2 a pound to over $70 a pound. Hopefully R22 wont be that drastic but only time will tell.

Installation of R22 in replacement systems is not illegal by EPA regs. Some states and local codes may prohibit it.

Don't buy into that short fall BS either.

Demand for R22 has dropped off greatly. And R22 doesn't have a CFC floor tax like R12 does. And R12 is easily found and bought today. And that is virgin R12.

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