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Old 11-06-2013, 02:16 PM   #31
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Apparently, the home warranty should work and replace the furnace. The tech found a hair line crack, and it told me he will ask the warranty for a new one
However, they don't pay for everything. He told me they usually provide the furnace itself (a 80% efficiency Payne) and 4 hours of labor.
Other stuff such as new flue (dual wall) and modification of the gas connection to fit the new furnace is not covered since they consider this as "Modifications" !!!!
If I wanted to go with a higher efficiency model, they will give me a buy out for my current unit but according to him, the price they give is laughable....
So I guess I will go with the 80%, which is still much better than my 30 years old furnace
By the way, he said he will put a smaller unit (in terms of BTU) because it will provide a much uniform heat in the whole house compare to what I have right now
He's putting a smaller unit, is he reducing price? Otherwise he is pocketing money from the warranty folks.

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Old 11-06-2013, 02:35 PM   #32
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I don't think so (but I might be wrong)
He was telling me that back in the days, it was common to have bigger units. But the house will be more comformtable with a smaller unit, and better arrangement of the air return duct
I called the home warranty, and if I don't want their furnace, they will give me $830 total in exchange, and I will have to buy my own furnace and hire a contractor to install it
So all in all, I guess it's still a good deal, at least much better than my 30 years old furnace
Apparently, I will have to pay ~$550 out of my pocket, because modifications are not covered in the contract (you know, the fine prints...)
I think those $550 are for gas line mod, electric mod, new chimney with double wall and also the modification of the return air to feed the furnace from the bottom and the side and put a larger air filter
So at the end, I will have a new furnace (80% "only") for $550, or I could get a better furnace for let's say $3,000 - $830 (cash-out) = $2,170...
$550 vs $2,200 is a big difference, so I guess a "basic" furnace will be enough for now !!!
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:39 PM   #33
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I don't think so (but I might be wrong)
He was telling me that back in the days, it was common to have bigger units. But the house will be more comformtable with a smaller unit, and better arrangement of the air return duct
I called the home warranty, and if I don't want their furnace, they will give me $830 total in exchange, and I will have to buy my own furnace and hire a contractor to install it
So all in all, I guess it's still a good deal, at least much better than my 30 years old furnace
Apparently, I will have to pay ~$550 out of my pocket, because modifications are not covered in the contract (you know, the fine prints...)
I think those $550 are for gas line mod, electric mod, new chimney with double wall and also the modification of the return air to feed the furnace from the bottom and the side and put a larger air filter
So at the end, I will have a new furnace (80% "only") for $550, or I could get a better furnace for let's say $3,000 - $830 (cash-out) = $2,170...
$550 vs $2,200 is a big difference, so I guess a "basic" furnace will be enough for now !!!
That's why a lot of folks get disgruntled about the home warranties, all the add ons.

Regarding the size, yes that can be true but without doing a manual j on your home, no one can say whether your old was right or wrong. Same can be said about the new one.

Just some food for thought!
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:43 PM   #34
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Well, I cross my finger it will turn out well ......
Specs of the new furnace are:
Input capacity: 88,000 BTUH
Output capacity: 71,000 BTUH

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Old 11-06-2013, 02:53 PM   #35
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Well, I cross my finger it will turn out well ......
Specs of the new furnace are:
Input capacity: 88,000 BTUH
Output capacity: 71,000 BTUH
Do you have central air? Did you ask how or if this smaller furnace would impact ac cfm?

Was your previous unit, in ac mode, cooling your house correctly? If not you better check on this newer unit and the impact on you ac delivery! Less ac cfms are going to hurt you.

Just saying!!!
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How many sq feet is your house? a 88,000 BTU furnace with a 4 ton AC blower is NOT a small furnace and that is what yours will be. Not a bad quality unit and better than some of the other junk out there. Necessary code upgrades are extra in any industry. Plumbing, electrical, HVAC does not matter and all have to be passed on to the home owner. Same with some house insurance policies. Get a flood or water leak and not everything is covered and depends on the type of policy so in fairness the premiums would have to be a lot higher if everything was covered. Not the way insurance or business works.
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It's a colonial, 2 stories + unfinished basement
And I did upgrade the insulation in the attic last winter...
Surface is ~2,600 sq ft
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:20 PM   #38
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What was the size of the old furnace? What is the size of your ac? 3,4 or 5 ton?
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The HVAC contractor told me before even seing it that he was almost certain the ac was a 4 tons
Then he went outside, tool a look at the identificaiton plate and confirmed it was a 4 tons unit
I will have to check for my current furnace...
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The HVAC contractor told me before even seing it that he was almost certain the ac was a 4 tons
Then he went outside, tool a look at the identificaiton plate and confirmed it was a 4 tons unit
I will have to check for my current furnace...
Good!
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He's putting a smaller unit, is he reducing price? Otherwise he is pocketing money from the warranty folks.

The contractor isn't supplying the furnace. The Home warranty company is supplying the furnace.
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The contractor isn't supplying the furnace. The Home warranty company is supplying the furnace.
So you are saying that under contracts such as this, the contractor physically gets the unit from the home warranty company or they order and he picks up?

In any event, could be like a dr. For money saved, he gets a higher fee?
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when switching from a standard furnace to a mid efficiency unit a general rule of thumb is the mid is going to be 20% less BTUs than the standard and if he was getting a high efficiency unit then it would be 25% less BTUs than his standard. he will always be getting a smaller unit. a house that used a 120,000 BTU standard where I am we easily will heat with a 90,000 BTU high efficiency unit and sometimes a 70,000. the actual cost to a dealer for each size increase is only $50-100 so there is no way he will want to get stuck with an unhappy customer by undersizing it for that little amount. he will tell the warranty company what size is needed and they order it and he picks it up or they have it delivered to his shop.
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So you are saying that under contracts such as this, the contractor physically gets the unit from the home warranty company or they order and he picks up?

In any event, could be like a dr. For money saved, he gets a higher fee?
Home warranty company buys it, then the contractor has the choice of it being shipped to his shop, or he can pick it up at the supplier.

The home warranty company gets the furnace for less then a contractor can buy it(they buy hundreds a month).

The contractor gets paid the same amount of money if its a 40,000 or 140,000 BTU furnace.

The add ons/non covered upgrades for code, are the only way the contractor actually makes any money.
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So you are saying that under contracts such as this, the contractor physically gets the unit from the home warranty company or they order and he picks up?

In any event, could be like a dr. For money saved, he gets a higher fee?
Yes, the Home warranty buys the furnace, I guess based on what the contractor recommend in terms of BTUs
But he doesn't decide the model itself...proof is they buy a 80%, entry level

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