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Doc Holliday · 09-07-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hvactech126

After all your whining about wanting your thread deleted you bring it back up here.......

The EPA is a bit confusing....

1.) Under the allocation rule, virgin HCFC–22 or HCFC–142b may only be used to service existing appliances. Virgin HCFC–22 and HCFC–142b may not be used to manufacture new precharged appliances and appliance components. Virgin HCFC–22 and HCFC–142b also may not be used to charge new appliances assembled onsite on or after January 1, 2010, though new appliances (not pre-charged) may be charged with reclaimed refrigerant.

2.)Consistent with decisions made in the 1993 rule, EPA is applying the section 605(a)(3) exception such that virgin HCFC–22 and HCFC–142b, and blends containing HCFC–22 or HCFC–142b, may be used for servicing and maintenance of appliances manufactured before 2010 but may not be used in the manufacture of equipment after January 1, 2010. EPA is taking this action under the authority of section 606 of the Clean Air Act. EPA notes that allowable servicing could entail a wide range of activities including replacing parts or components. Per the accompanying Pre-Charged Appliances rule, these parts and components may contain HCFCs
(including virgin material) if manufactured prior to January 1, 2010, but must be shipped without HCFC (i.e. dry or with a nitrogen holding charge) if manufactured after January 1, 2010.

3.)Appliances are separate from components, which are the individual parts of an appliance, such as a condensing unit or line set, that by themselves cannot function to provide a cooling effect. In considering the meaning of ‘‘manufactured,’’ EPA has considered the definition of appliance carefully, particularly evaluating at what point a group of components become a manufactured appliance. In the final rule, EPA is providing a definition of the term ‘‘manufactured.’’ This definition can also be found in the companion Pre-Charged Appliances rule. The term manufactured ‘‘for an appliance, means the date upon which the appliance’s refrigerant circuit is complete, the appliance can function, the appliance holds a full refrigerant charge, and the appliance is ready for use for its intended purposes; and for a pre-charged appliance component, means the date that such component is completely produced by the original equipment manufacture, charged with refrigerant, and is ready for initial sale or distribution in interstate commerce.’’

4.)Pre-charged components manufactured before January 1, 2010, may be used to service appliances manufactured before January 1, 2010, but may not be assembled to create new appliances unless there is no use of virgin HCFC–22 or HCFC–142b, in the components or otherwise. The allocation rule prohibits use of virgin HCFC–22 and HCFC–142b in manufacturing new appliances.

SO, from everything that I have read (which was a LOT). Because your condensing unit is a component used in repair of an existing appliance that was manufactured before Jan 1, 2010 you are perfectly legal to use virgin R22.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009...f/E9-29569.pdf

In light of a finality I knew I was right to begin with (as did my old boss who I guess does work for the EPA

) I now would like to dedicate this picture

as well as this song to all of my friends at the EPA. Thank you, thank you very much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo&ob=av3e

**beenthere** · 09-07-2011, 10:15 PM

Does your boss work as an EPA agent? Whats his ID number. So you decided not to call the EPA.

Guess I forgot to tell you. I passed my civil service exam 2 months ago, and now work in the philly EPA office.

**beenthere** · 09-07-2011, 10:20 PM

Just joking. I'm still toiling in the working HVAC field.

Doc Holliday · 09-07-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere

Does your boss work as an EPA agent? Whats his ID number. So you decided not to call the EPA.

Guess I forgot to tell you. I passed my civil service exam 2 months ago, and now work in the philly EPA office.

I called the EPA and Goodman yesterday and neither returned my calls. I was too busy today to even think about remembering to call them again.

Weird, I came across two condensers with burnt wires today. These two from the contactor, one to the compressor and one to the cap.

The contactor. I reconnected at the unused or spare teminals as part of the fix.

And then the next call, the common from the contactor to the cap.

And of course I barely got the system charged one and a half degrees above freezing before running out of the stuff I'm legally allowed to use when servicing equipment manufactured before Jan. 1, 2010. What's that stuff callled again?

I'll be going back soon.

The coil was filthy so I rinsed it with a garden hose and then it showed me just how low it actually was and it was low!

And of course I had another call to go to so I had to pit stop at Goodman (one of five in Houston) to pick up some 22 but to no availe. They were completely out of the juice as well as out of 410-A. Go Figure. The next customer was not happy that I had to reschedule, griping at me about how we should have the tools we need on the trucks and to go ahead an drive across town and get some elsewhere and then come back. No way, her rooftop condensers are unmarked, I went there a few days ago and found that out already with her there. Told her tomorrow afternoon when maintenance is readily available as I wouldn't be able to make it back today until around 6 p.m., after maintenance has left.

My old boss is a highly studied and respected hvac technician (much like yourself) and hvac business owner as well as owner of a home remodeling/roofing/plumbing company down south in Brownsville. He's been in this trade specifically for over 30 years. He owns stocks as he plays the market and own's land across Texas, drives a Hummer and has a fleet of vehicles including a new Triumph motorcycle, new Ford F-250 and a 2010 Porsche as personal vehicles. That's not including his work trucks, about six or seven now for the guys down south, two extra's up here including a big box truck and Ford F-150's with Tommy gate lifts. New lap tops in each vehicle.

He owns a five bedroom home on a lake for just himself and his wife, about ten miles from where I live. Four car garage.

He was a high school teacher for over 15 years and is studied in some sort of physics. I think he knows what is what and when he doesn't know he'll find out. He knows many people in the trade, tech support guys, salesmen, inspectors and city officials and has been hired by the city for hvac inspections/fire cases on a few occasions.

You two could talk for days on end, I'm sure. If you ever come to Houston I'll introdice the two of you. I say that because he'll brag on me to anyone in ear shot so if it were you..

He is also dying of Hodgkins disease.

Yeah, if you are in the EPA than that song was for you too.

Ps. I'm sending you my cardiologist bill for the heart attack you gave me.

**beenthere** · 09-07-2011, 11:58 PM

LOL... Just wanted to get your adrenalin going.

Doc Holliday · 09-08-2011, 12:21 AM

well it worked.

Master of Cold · 09-08-2011, 10:11 AM

I knew it was bogus when he used the word" freon"
We all know its genetron now

Sometimes I use suva though..

Master of Cold · 09-10-2011, 05:03 PM

I have to learn to keep my mouth shut..
After complaining about all black wires in a unit, I get this monstrousity first thing this morning.

Doc Holliday · 09-10-2011, 05:15 PM

My brain hurts.

Package unit, right? What ended up being the problem? The blue wire?

Master of Cold · 09-10-2011, 06:02 PM

The relay contacts were burned out in the thermostat. Probably from those two 50 amp contactors running directly off of the stat.
Use a relay peoples...