Looking like a fool to a customer

bbo · 02-16-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by yuri

no way you can get it for $69. even a top notch lennox dealer cannot get it for that. something stinks. maybe they are selling freight damaged stuff. truck overtuned and was on fire. LOL

or maybe when it shows up, its packaged in a lemmox box.

Focused2 · 02-16-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere

Years ago, when I was a GM at a company, that was not a Lennox dealer. We would often get our Lennox parts from one of the Lennox dealers when we needed the part fast. We had an agreement with them, they only charged us 10% mark up, so it kept us competitive with them and other Lennox dealers.

You might be able to make an arrangement/agreement with one of the Lennox dealers in your area.

Yep, agree here, deal with locals. New boards don't always mean they are good boards. Most good dealers always make it right.
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Good luck , Joe

Dorado · 02-16-2013, 03:20 PM

If I bought it for $69, I'd give them a fake phone number and use a credit card with $69 on it that I'd never use again. And I'd still need to see that the company has been around a while and read Amazon comments. When I received it, I'd compare it to a part I know to be genuine.

bobelectric · 02-16-2013, 03:34 PM

Try to even get air filters from lennox.

**beenthere** · 02-16-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorado

If I bought it for $69, I'd give them a fake phone number and use a credit card with $69 on it that I'd never use again. And I'd still need to see that the company has been around a while and read Amazon comments. When I received it, I'd compare it to a part I know to be genuine.

And if it wasn't. When you would call them to return it. they would authorize the return, since they wouldn't be able to verify you cause of the fake phone number you gave them.

How would you compare it to a "genuine" part. Since the "genuine" part may have already been superseded/obsoleted 3 or more times already.

Dorado · 02-16-2013, 04:09 PM

If they ship with the fake phone number, I think they could accept a return. I was able to cancel a Lowes order when I used a fake number. I had to call them, but it was from a different number. I think I'd be protected from fraud by the credit card company even if I bought it with a fake phone number.

I'd take a shot at comparing the parts. Maybe I'd contact Lennox and ask whether they use a component that looked different.

yuri · 02-16-2013, 04:12 PM

If they can copy / clone Gucci purses, watches etc in China so well that people cannot tell them from real then there is no problem copying a circuit board and packaging. Heck they are unsoldering circuit boards and reusing parts in circuit boards ending up in your/our fighter jets.

**beenthere** · 02-16-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorado

If they ship with the fake phone number, I think they could accept a return. I was able to cancel a Lowes order when I used a fake number. I had to call them, but it was from a different number. I think I'd be protected from fraud by the credit card company even if I bought it with a fake phone number.

I'd take a shot at comparing the parts. Maybe I'd contact Lennox and ask whether they use a component that looked different.

LOL. using a fake phone number to buy something is fraud. So you might not be protected from yourself.

hvac benny · 02-16-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere

LOL. using a fake phone number to buy something is fraud. So you might not be protected from yourself.

Using a fake number in and of itself is not fraud. There are other elements required for it to be fraud. Just think of all those fake numbers you were given when you were young. Those girls wouldn't have gone to jail, lol.

**beenthere** · 02-16-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hvac benny

Using a fake number in and of itself is not fraud. There are other elements required for it to be fraud. Just think of all those fake numbers you were given when you were young. Those girls wouldn't have gone to jail, lol.

Purchasing something and giving a fake number is a fraud.

Those girls weren't purchasing anything. ROFL.

Dorado · 02-16-2013, 10:37 PM

It looks like in the federal system there needs to be some kind of injury (an "injury in fact"), not just a lie. Probably similar in local courts. I think I'm safe.

341 F.3d 155

Katharina Wagner GULLY, a/k/a Karin Gully v. NATIONAL CREDIT UNION ADMINISTRATION BOARD

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Article III of the U.S. Constitution limits the jurisdiction of federal courts to the resolution of "cases" and "controversies." U.S. Const. art. III, § 2. Standing is "an essential and unchanging part" of Article III's case-or-controversy requirement. Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, 504 U.S. 555, 560, 112 S.Ct. 2130, 119 L.Ed.2d 351 (1992). The "irreducible constitutional minimum" of standing has three requirements. Id. First and foremost, the party invoking federal jurisdiction must have suffered an "injury in fact" — an invasion of a legally protected interest that is (a) concrete and particularized and (b) actual or imminent, rather than conjectural or hypothetical. Id. Second, there must be a causal connection between the injury and the challenged conduct. Id. Third, "it must be likely, as opposed to merely speculative, that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision." Id. at 560-61, 112 S.Ct. 2130 (internal quotations omitted).

**beenthere** · 02-16-2013, 10:41 PM

Fraud can also be charged by the state courts.

how · 02-16-2013, 10:47 PM

I got why someone might want to protect themselves from a sketchy company by using a credit card that can't be used for more than was agreed upon but I don't get why you'd want to give a fake phone number?

I think it would be only be fraud if there was an intent to cheat or cost them in some way.

**beenthere** · 02-16-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by how

I got why someone might want to protect themselves from a sketchy company by using a credit card that can't be used for more than was agreed upon but I don't get why you'd want to give a fake phone number?

I think it would be only be fraud if there was an intent to cheat or cost them in some way.

Giving false info is a shady thing to do. Weather or not charges can be pressed.

Really funny thing though. Is the IP and MAC address of the computer being used to order the part is easily traced. And everytime a computer downloads an image, the address is sent to the server that has the image on it. Like all those pics in the ads you see on any website.

Dorado · 02-16-2013, 11:27 PM

I was wondering whether a business can get the phone number that the credit card provider has on file for the customer when a purchase is made. I hid my number because they might sell it or use it themselves and I get enough unwanted calls. There's a chance the company would only sell the number provided by the customer and not get the number from the card issuer. I gave my correct home address and email address though.