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Old 08-26-2014, 08:29 AM   #1
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Hi im planning of changing my old lg mini split for a fujitsu 12rls2h. i had some prices from local dealers (quebec canada) with installation and i found them overpriced, they are all over 4500$ when i can get the mini split for under 2000$. Do you think i could buy the mini split and have an hvac company just make the startup (installing lines, indoor and outdoor unit will be already installed by me) and paid by hour rate?
ive seen local us dealers that sell this system installed for as low as 2700$ , now that a reasonable price for a basic installation

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Find a retired HVAC tech, that will hook it up for a few Canadian Dollars.


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Old 08-26-2014, 09:16 AM   #3
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what model would you choose between those
fujitsu 12rls2h (have an external heater for de-icing, but lower hspf)
mitsubishi MSZ-FH12NA
both are same price
my main use is for heating at low temps
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Old 08-26-2014, 09:49 AM   #4
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You cannot buy any HVAC machine containing freon or freon itself without a special license in Canada. I imagine Quebec is the same as the rest of the country. Unlike the US where you can buy some on the net and install them that does not happen here unless you have a friend in the trade. Cannot smuggle it across the border as there are HUGE penalties for transporting any freon across the border.

Our tax rates are different, exchange rate on the $ is lower, duties, we have health care etc etc so you cannot compare us with the Americans.
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hmm the dealers i found does deliver in canada directly to my house (they have canadian and us warehouse and charge me local taxes) . i will contact them. those mini-split use r410a
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And then what do you do if there's a warranty issue?
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:24 PM   #7
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Unless Quebec is different and I doubt it as our labor laws are close you probably have a Provincial agency that regulates the sale of Freon and Freon containing equipment. In Manitoba it is MOPIA, Manitoba Ozone Protection Industry Association. It is illegal for a dealer to sell it to me w/o a MOPIA license. You can get a HUGE fine and him if he does that. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. This all started years back with the Montreal Protocol about banning ozone depleting freons like R12, R11 etc etc. I doubt Quebec is not a part of the Protocol.
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what is the difference between a mini-split and a portable air conditionner that they sell everywhere. they have the same gas inside or why can i buy a very big heat pump for my pool at pool store? any of them can leak gas.
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I knew you would ask.

Because those units are self contained. A mini split needs to have the lines soldered on or flared and they can leak the Freon if not done properly and tested.
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Remember, when you pay a contractor his mark up. Part of that mark up is his first year labor warranty. The factory only supplies the new part, they don't pay for the labor.

So if you buy your own equipment from somewhere else. You don't get a 1 year labor warranty on the equipment.
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The company that I worked before. It was a big HVAC firm, they charge almost the same price ( may be a few dollars less) if the customer provides parts.

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well i may install a panasonic unit instead, i found a local dealer that i done business with before that does it for 3000-3200$. now that is a normal price
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:27 PM   #13
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You get what you pay for. Fujitsu and Mitsubishi are the 2 premium units. They are a LOT better quality and have been around 4 ever. Both have sold Billions or more units in Asia, Europe and all over the world and are well proven. The rest not so good.

Whatever US dealers are doing them for $2700 I would be suspicious of. Especially when it says " As low ". Could be freight damaged for that price unless they work for peanuts.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:32 PM   #14
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All this talk lately about the low cost (12000 BTU/$700) and simple simple DIY installation of mini-split ductless systems makes me want to get my garage air conditioned with one. Especially when I consider that the labors cost is almost 5 times the price of the product itself. I think Im going to pull the trigger on one of these and install it myself with full DIY video just on principal and in support of the DIY movement in this country. After all DIY is the American way.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:49 PM   #15
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Cheap Chineez knock off. They also sell window units for $100 at Wal Mart. But for a garage what the heck.

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