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Old 08-15-2009, 03:06 PM   #31
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I bet he has "connections" with the CIA. . .
Did you hear that I was the original model for the Bourne Identity series?

Well, if you did, it's not true.

But I wouldn't mind being able to fight like him. . .

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And you guys don't believe me about my heritage. We used to call him "Uncle Joe". Had a great dacha on the Volga. Used to visit it for Summer holidays.
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And you guys don't believe me about my heritage. We used to call him "Uncle Joe". Had a great dacha on the Volga. Used to visit it for Summer holidays.
He had a big VOLVA?

Knew there was something strange about him.
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Easy to fool. When a burglar broke into our Prime Ministers house he threw a bag of Tim Horton donuts over the security wall and distracted the whole bunch of em. Our Mounties like their Timmys and coffee.
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Twelve years ago i got a Carrier Weathermaker. $4800 installed including 3 new registers replacing a 1928 Sears Industructo with Iron Fireman converted to gas. Gas bill cut in half. cleaned every year, used hepa filters. One minor loose screw covered under warranty. Now the venter motor has gone out of balance. The repairman from Atlas Butler says this part costs $1499 to replace and since this furnace is only expected to last 15 years anyway I should just replace the furnace now. He even had laminated graphs and prices of this EXACT part with him. I will leave editorial comment to others.
The Sears Industructo is in my sister's garage. works great.
Anyone have a 5sme44jg1005?
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Does this motor fold laundry and put the dishes back in the cupboards also? If so, it sounds like a bargain. I can't quote you prices on a replacement motor, and, today's furnace should still last more than 15 years provided it was sized right and the ductwork was set up right as well. Based on those few sentences, I would look for somebody else.
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Help! We need a new furnace and aren't sure which one to buy.I'm looking for input from "real people" instead of salesman. So can anyone tell me about the pros and cons of each or refer me to something like a consumers report comparing furnaces. We are currently looking at lennox, carrier and trane. Please and thanks... I did hear that Lennox gets an unusual number of call backs for repair.
Which brand did you choose.

Each of the ones you listed has builder models, and upper end models.
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this part costs $1499 to replace and since this furnace is only expected to last 15 years anyway I should just replace the furnace now.
That's why the part costs $1.5 kilobucks; they want you to be on the fence as to repair/replace. Maybe Grainger can get it for you for $150.
I'm thinking now when a manuf. makes the mistake of accidentally making long lasting equip. they can still turn over their product by raising the price of replacement parts. You can then squeeze the last year of life out of your HVAC stuff but you will pay a price for that kind of behavior.

I get 16.5 year average life for all HVAC equip with 10% making it to 50 years and 10% being replaced for any number of reasons within 7 years.

As to repair/replace, plug in your own numbers.
Cost new for an [HVAC appliance] = $600 [so you plug in $4800]

Cost for repairs & maintenance,
1st yr., $400 [whatever you have spent, etc.]
2nd yr, $600
3rd yr, $800
4th yr, $1000
[your years would go to 12]

Figure the cumulative cost for each year:
1st, $400
2nd, $400+ $600 = $1000
3rd, similarly, $1800
4th, similarly, $2800

Add the price when new to the above column
1st, $1000
2nd, $1600
3rd, $2400
4th, $3400

Now divide each column entry above by the year number
1st, $1000/1 = $1000
2nd, $1600/2 = $800
3rd, similarly, $800
4th, similarly, $850

The cost/year drops at first, and then starts rising. In this exaggerated example the minimum is probably reached between 2 and 3 years, and that's when you should replace it.


With your example done on a spreadsheet and assuming a cost of $100/yr you do get a point at 12 years where the cost/year goes up and so you should replace.
But, if you extend the spreadsheet columns to past the 12 years, if the new motor lasts at least 3 years then the cost/yr again drops and goes below what it was before your $1500 motor came along.

Since your first motor lasted 12 years I'd say "keep your system" and get bids on the repair.
After the repair I give your system a 50-50 chance of making it to 20 yrs.

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Biggerjim, what is the model # of your furnace? Is it a high efficiency condensing type. Carrier has some VERY expensive ventor fans with ECM motors and they probably sell for up to $1000. Anything over that is suspicious. The heat exchangers on some of the mid efficiency units crack before 15 yrs but are replaceable. Some of the high efficiency units had bad secondary heat exchangers and there was a class action lawsuit against Carrier about that. People sometimes accuse a servicetech of being a crook without knowing the history of the unit.
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Biggerjim, what is the model # of your furnace? Is it a high efficiency condensing type. Carrier has some VERY expensive ventor fans with ECM motors
Yes they do.

They are very proud of them.
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Yes they do.

They are very proud of them.
humor ?????
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humor ?????
They are so proud of those inducers. That they charge 80% of the wholesale cost of the furnace.
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Riddle me this Batman? Why do they use those inducers (Hint) what is the advantage of them?
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Depends a bit which model.

But maintains better combustion air.

Doesn't really help with fuel savings though.

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