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wiz561 01-08-2012 09:04 PM

Lennox ML193 with a Filtrete
 
Hi!

I've read a number of bad reviews from professionals with the 3M filtrete products. I have a Lennox ML193 furnace that has the "healthy climate" 5" filter bay.

I've used the Filtrete 1550 (16x25x4) in the past and the Honeywell 4" "Micro Defense" filters, and it came with the Lennox 4" (maybe 5") merv10 filter.

I like the filtrete's because they are the easiest to purchase, followed by the Honeywell's. The 4" Filtrete is sold at target and I can find the 4" Honeywell at HD. The Lennox filters are the hardest to find because you have to go to the Lennox dealer....or order online.

As far as performance goes, which one would you recommend? I'm wondering if the Filtrete's would be OK with my furnace because it has the bigger HC cabinet and it's a newer furnace. I also have to add that I have horrible allergies and asthma, so the more filtered air, the better. I also don't want to measure the temperature above the heat exchanger and compare it to see if it's running too hot or not... just because I'm lazy and can't find my probe.

So, with the setup I have, does it sound like the Filtrete is alright, or should I make a run out to a lennox dealer for their filter....

thanks!

harleyrider 01-08-2012 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiz561 (Post 816862)
Hi!

I've read a number of bad reviews from professionals with the 3M filtrete products. I have a Lennox ML193 furnace that has the "healthy climate" 5" filter bay.

I've used the Filtrete 1550 (16x25x4) in the past and the Honeywell 4" "Micro Defense" filters, and it came with the Lennox 4" (maybe 5") merv10 filter.

I like the filtrete's because they are the easiest to purchase, followed by the Honeywell's. The 4" Filtrete is sold at target and I can find the 4" Honeywell at HD. The Lennox filters are the hardest to find because you have to go to the Lennox dealer....or order online.

As far as performance goes, which one would you recommend? I'm wondering if the Filtrete's would be OK with my furnace because it has the bigger HC cabinet and it's a newer furnace. I also have to add that I have horrible allergies and asthma, so the more filtered air, the better. I also don't want to measure the temperature above the heat exchanger and compare it to see if it's running too hot or not... just because I'm lazy and can't find my probe.

So, with the setup I have, does it sound like the Filtrete is alright, or should I make a run out to a lennox dealer for their filter....

thanks!

filters are rated by a "merv" rating.........http://www.mechreps.com/PDF/Merv_Rating_Chart.pdf

It means Minimum Effenency Reporting Value, with 16 being the higher end, 10 being standard or common and 6 being a lower end filter.

hvac5646 01-08-2012 10:13 PM

Hey wiz, if you don't check the temp rise you are courting a cracked heat exchanger.

You are dealing with some very restrictive filters that have caused furnaces to give up the ghost early on.

It's common and mandatory safe practice to check the temp rise. I have found more furnace over heat with Filtritte filter because of the tight weave.

It's not worth risking your life for. Check that temp rise ASAP.

beenthere 01-09-2012 04:17 AM

If you don't want to check temp rise across the heat exchange. Go with a MERV 8 filter. It will be less restrictive to air flow.

yuri 01-09-2012 07:03 AM

those are both rated at merv 12 which is too tight for that furnace. merv 8 or 10 is good for it. if you had the more powerful ecm motor unit then a tighter filter would be ok.

harleyrider 01-09-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuri (Post 817194)
those are both rated at Merv 12 which is too tight for that furnace. Merv 8 or 10 is good for it. if you had the more powerful ecm motor unit then a tighter filter would be OK.

It would be impossible for a filter to be " too tight for that furnace", now it could be the restrictive duct work that could require you to use a less restrictive filter.

harleyrider 01-09-2012 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hvac5646 (Post 816949)
Hey wiz, if you don't check the temp rise you are courting a cracked heat exchanger.

You are dealing with some very restrictive filters that have caused furnaces to give up the ghost early on.

It's common and mandatory safe practice to check the temp rise. I have found more furnace over heat with Filtritte filter because of the tight weave.

It's not worth risking your life for. Check that temp rise ASAP.

Filters don't harm a furnace, PEOPLE not CHANGING a DIRTY FILTER DO......

wiz561 01-09-2012 01:49 PM

argh
 
Thank you all for the responses.

OK, so maybe the best thing would be to check the temp rise. I was being lazy, but I will find my temp probe tonight and check it. I suppose it won't be THAT hard...I guess I was just being lazy.

Without knowing much or being a HVAC guy, I would think that the reason Filtrete's have a bad name is because people assume that since the label says it lasts up to a year, and they're buying an expensive filter, that they don't have to change it as frequently. Again, I'm no expert, but I get that feeling. I try to change mine on a monthly (or maybe two month) basis.

I still have the question about Filtrete vs Honeywell vs Lennox filters, and which one would be best to use. Also, a technical question about my furnace...does anybody know if it is an ECM motor in there, and what the max MERV value I can go up to with it?

Thanks!

hvac5646 01-09-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleyrider (Post 817235)
It would be impossible for a filter to be " too tight for that furnace", now it could be the restrictive duct work that could require you to use a less restrictive filter.

please clarify.
If the weave is too tight air won't pas thru the filter no matter what shape the duct work is in.
So your saying not so?????

harleyrider 01-09-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiz561 (Post 817500)
Thank you all for the responses.

OK, so maybe the best thing would be to check the temp rise. I was being lazy, but I will find my temp probe tonight and check it. I suppose it won't be THAT hard...I guess I was just being lazy.

Without knowing much or being a HVAC guy, I would think that the reason Filtrete's have a bad name is because people assume that since the label says it lasts up to a year, and they're buying an expensive filter, that they don't have to change it as frequently. Again, I'm no expert, but I get that feeling. I try to change mine on a monthly (or maybe two month) basis.

I still have the question about Filtrete vs Honeywell vs Lennox filters, and which one would be best to use. Also, a technical question about my furnace...does anybody know if it is an ECM motor in there, and what the max MERV value I can go up to with it?

Thanks!

The name brand doesn't matter...........its the MERV rating that you want to watch............In 30 years of doing HVAC service have I never found a properly sized furnace on properly sized duct work over heating or freezing up from a Merv 10 or higher filter (unless the filter was plugged.)

beenthere 01-09-2012 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleyrider (Post 817543)
The name brand doesn't matter...........its the MERV rating that you want to watch............In 30 years of doing HVAC service have I never found a properly sized furnace on properly sized duct work over heating or freezing up from a Merv 10 or higher filter (unless the filter was plugged.)

Different brands of the same MERV rating do have a different PD at the same CFM.

Few duct systems are installed/sized for a air filter of a MERV rating higher then 10. And MERV 13 filters often have a high PD. So people think that the same size will allow the same amount of air through. Not realizing that the duct system wasn't designed for it.

yuri 01-09-2012 04:49 PM

the Merit line does not have an ecm motor. the elite and signature series have some with ecm motors. based on my 33 yrs experience in 90+ % of the units I see most of them don't have big honkin oversized ductwork so any filter over merv 10 restricts enough airflow that they ride the limit control and won't work properly. nowadays builders use the cheapest smallest sized ductwork possible. do the proper temp rise test. yes, it is a backwards equation. people figure the more a filter costs the longer it should last but it is the opposite. it is taking more dust out and plugging sooner and slowing down the airflow and overheating the furnace and causing the motor to draw more amps/juice and running up your electric bill too.

harleyrider 01-09-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beenthere (Post 817671)
Different brands of the same MERV rating do have a different PD at the same CFM.

Few duct systems are installed/sized for a air filter of a MERV rating higher then 10. And MERV 13 filters often have a high PD. So people think that the same size will allow the same amount of air through. Not realizing that the duct system wasn't designed for it.

I disagree.......if this were true then the MERV rating would be worthless, Of course its not its used daily by hundreds of thousands of professionals world wide. Every return drop we put in we leave provissions so our customers can up grade to a 4 in wide filter if they want, and never have we had a problem doing so. The only time we/I have ever seen a problem is when the HO did not keep the filter clean. Static pressure from one brand to the other is virtually identical, obviously a higher Merv rating will have a different SP then a lower Merv rating. to make a statement such as what you have made is unfounded and very irresponsible on your part.

beenthere 01-09-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleyrider (Post 817776)
I disagree.......if this were true then the MERV rating would be worthless, Of course its not its used daily by hundreds of thousands of professionals world wide. Every return drop we put in we leave provissions so our customers can up grade to a 4 in wide filter if they want, and never have we had a problem doing so. The only time we/I have ever seen a problem is when the HO did not keep the filter clean. Static pressure from one brand to the other is virtually identical, obviously a higher Merv rating will have a different SP then a lower Merv rating. to make a statement such as what you have made is unfounded and very irresponsible on your part.


Try testing some. Go to the box store and buy some, and then buy Honeywell OEMs. And test them. You'll find some big differences.

hvac5646 01-09-2012 07:47 PM

Acefurnacefixer' this You Tube link clearly shows the tighter the filter the more wattage on a motor as it works harder to move air thru it.
A test chamber is used and several diff filters are tested for their restrictiveness.

check it out



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-mP1fHLLh8


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