HVAC Brands---Trane Vs. York--Whick Is Better? - HVAC - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > HVAC

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-17-2011, 09:31 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 329
Rewards Points: 382
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Which of the two brands, in your opinion, are better HVAC brands? I know you may say, it depends on who and how it's installed. If I find two contractors that I am comfortable with to do a good job, and am down to mfgs of the systems, what is your opinions on quality? Thanks!

Advertisement

kennykenny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 09:47 PM   #2
I'm Your Huckleberry
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,884
Rewards Points: 2,220
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


For the most part the installation of any equipment, as long as all equipment from the condenser to the evaporator to the furnace/blower match one another, far outweighs manufacture these days.

The heart and sould of any cooling system is the compressor and all manufacturers use Copeland Scroll.

Over the years, York has not been known to handle up to the test of time but that I believe is because practically anyone could get their hands on them and did and thus the installs suffered, giving them a bad reputation.

The same can be said of Goodman, anyone could get their hands on them, back then at least. Having said that Janitrol (aka Janijunk) is probably the worst recognizable name brand (and they are no longer around) as again, anyone could get their hands on them and thus install them but I guess whomever installed the one at the house I'm renting did a good job because over 2o years later it's still working perfectly. And I've seen and worked and serviced Yorks that are over 25 years old and still running.

At the end of the day though, Trane would have the best reputation because they never sold to just anyone.

Advertisement

Doc Holliday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 10:25 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 329
Rewards Points: 382
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


So if all things are equal, you would go with the Trane? What is your opinion on the Rudd brand?

Also, my two contractors differ on performing a manual J test. One says that it is necessary,and can be done, on my 15 yr old home. The other says that it is impossible to do a manual J test on a preexisting home. If it is just being built, it could be done. Who do I believe? The 2nd contractor says that enlarging some of my duct work and adding a return in my basement, in order to get some more airflow to go up to my 2nd floor is all part of a manual J test. What do you think?
kennykenny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 10:57 PM   #4
I'm Your Huckleberry
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,884
Rewards Points: 2,220
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Makes no sense to not be able to perform a manual J on any pre-existing home or building. Heck you can purchase the software and do it yourself granted you'd need to know what kind of insulation is in your walls, in your atttic, single pane or double pane windows, which way your home faces and the windows location as well as any trees and/or awnings, etc.

Go with the guy who says it CAN be done as the other guy is just trying to get out of it easy and may be the less experienced of the two.

I just recently installed a Ruud 410-A system and I went over to the customer's home today for a drainage problem (internal plumbing backing up the main drain and tripping the evap float switch so not my fault, you ac guys!) and it is running beautifully. The owner said that last year this time her elecricity bill was almost $400. This last month it was $202.

Ruud is pretty good as well but if I were to purchase a home and have my own choice of a/c systems to install, it'd be American Standard which is Trane, like GMC and Chevy are one and the same. I just like the solid look of American Standard versus Trane.

And no variable speed, two stage cooling/compressors this and that either, just single stage. On and off, simple. X-13 motor, high efficiency in the furnace.
Doc Holliday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 11:18 PM   #5
30 year tech
 
hvac122's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 427
Rewards Points: 250
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


I would not install anything but a variable speed blower. Not sure why you wouldn't.
As far as the brands you mention they should all be fine if installed properly. Install is the whole key. Also demand a manual j be performed as anything else would just be a guess.
hvac122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 12:05 AM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 329
Rewards Points: 382
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Great advice. The contractor that is going to perform the manual J pushes the York brand. Do most contractors push the brand that gives them the "deal" or can they typically get other brands if you ask? How does that work?

The variable speeds quoted are about $1800 more. Is that worth the extra money? Would the manual J test help determine if that type of system is worth it? Or does it not work that way?

I was also quoted a price for a three damper zoning system in lieu of a two stage system to "help" with my two story house problem of hotter on the 2nd floor. Any opinions with this?

Also, is it worth upgrading to a 10 yr labor warranty from the contractor? Seems like a good deal for $280.00 if something does go out. Thanks.
kennykenny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 12:12 AM   #7
I'm Your Huckleberry
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,884
Rewards Points: 2,220
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Quote:
Originally Posted by hvac122 View Post
I would not install anything but a variable speed blower. Not sure why you wouldn't.
As far as the brands you mention they should all be fine if installed properly. Install is the whole key. Also demand a manual j be performed as anything else would just be a guess.

I install them all day long and have for years. Just not certain it's what I'd want in my own home. In low speed a variable speed motor uses less kw per hour to run than a 75 watt light bulb. Something like that.

I like to feel the air fulltime and the x-13 is the champ of efficiency for single stage. Awesome motor. I've installed so many of those in new furnaces and I can never tell they're on even when I'm standing right next to the furnace in the attic. But they certainly blow.
Doc Holliday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 12:27 AM   #8
I'm Your Huckleberry
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,884
Rewards Points: 2,220
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


the x-13 is a single stage brushless motor that can be programmed and run as a variable speed. why it's such a good and efficient and reliable and quiet motor compared to the psc single stage, it's an ecm.
Doc Holliday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 11:18 PM   #9
jwz
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12
Rewards Points: 10
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


I am having a 3 ton unit replaced by my cousin for a great price $900 for a york guardian. I read some terrible reviews online over at Furnacecompare.com York is rated almost dead last and on the site they have recent customer testominals. They have amana, rudd, rheem, american standard, tempstar, trane, weatherking, carrier, goodman, ducane in that order to name a few and york last. Should I be worried?
jwz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 11:23 PM   #10
30 year tech
 
hvac122's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 427
Rewards Points: 250
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


For $900.00 I would be. Does that include indoor coil?
hvac122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 11:27 PM   #11
jwz
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12
Rewards Points: 10
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


I don't think so, is the indoor coil always necessary? He is only charging $50 to do the job, he advised the unit will cost him $850
jwz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 11:39 PM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 329
Rewards Points: 382
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Does anyone know any details of why Yourk has so many poor reviews????
kennykenny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2011, 12:09 AM   #13
vln
Underwriter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 96
Rewards Points: 75
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Because they are of poorer quality and use aluminum? coils which tend to leak more.
vln is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2011, 05:41 AM   #14
An old Tradesmen
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PA
Posts: 26,410
Rewards Points: 4,472
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


Quote:
Originally Posted by vln View Post
Because they are of poorer quality and use aluminum? coils which tend to leak more.
Carrier uses aluminum coils also. most manufacturers are now using aluminum coils(either for their condensers or evaps, or both), because copper tends to leak quicker. Most brands hav e had coil leak problems in the last few/several years.


Having a contractor install a brand he usually doesn't deal. Is seldom a good idea. Since he won't b e stocking any parts for it.

Trane is very proud of their parts. It shows in the price they charge for them.



A VS blower is worth the money. Enables you to have better humidity control.

An X13 can not be programmed to work like a VS blower. It works similar, but can not vary its speed to maintain CFM.
beenthere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2011, 11:02 AM   #15
Spokane AC Repair
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2
Rewards Points: 10
Default

HVAC Brands---Trane vs. York--Whick is better?


If only given those two I would say Trane.

Advertisement


Last edited by TomHarper; 08-08-2011 at 11:04 AM.
TomHarper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
History of HVAC Industry Brands winkydink HVAC 8 03-25-2011 08:28 AM
advice please! - new TRANE HVAC system ACtawk HVAC 2 10-07-2010 05:25 PM
York or Trane? koz HVAC 1 05-26-2010 06:42 AM
Trane hvac warranty question jlewi110 HVAC 1 10-21-2009 10:11 AM
Trane HVAC MabelMartin HVAC 2 12-30-2007 10:53 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts