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Old 01-13-2009, 06:10 PM   #31
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We/they need to know where you live as costs vary from region to region, city to city. Take some pics of the air handler/ductwork/outdoor unit and post the size and maybe someone can help.

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Old 01-13-2009, 06:20 PM   #32
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We/they need to know where you live as costs vary from region to region, city to city. Take some pics of the air handler/ductwork/outdoor unit and post the size and maybe someone can help.
Somerset County NJ
2.5 Ton or 3 Ton if unit not made in sizes.

What I am looking at is this:

Trane XL15i HP mated to the 4TEE3F40B with the duct work for $9941.00
Lennox XP15 HP mated to the CBX32MV without ductwork for $9170.00
Carrier Infinity Series 25HNA9 HP mated to the FE4ANF005 with ductwork
for $8774 after $1000 Carrier rebate. I have not negotiated any of these
prices but am open to if it can save me a little money.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:20 AM   #33
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Hey MOD's--thanks! It is nice to see the unwanted advertisment removed

On a side note, does anyone know of a web site that might have information
like manufacturer dates and specs for a Lennox HP20-311?
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:56 AM   #34
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I was wondering, is a two-stage compressor a significant benefit over a single stage?
I have estimates from a few contractors, I've narrowed it down to 3 based on my
assesment of thier ability and professionalism. All except the Lennox include new ductwork in the garage.
One is offering the Lennox XP14 with the CBX32MV another the Trane XL15i with the 4TEE3F40B and lastly
the Carrier Infinity 25HNA9 with the FE4ANF003. From what I can see, only the Carrier is two stage.

Price wise the Carrier is the least expensive, the Trane 2nd and Lennox as the most expensive but dollars to
donuts, which unit is the best bang for the buck. At this point, I am confidant and comfortable with each
contractors ability to install the system they recommend so my deciding factors now are cost, features, benefits
and energy savings.
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:02 PM   #35
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Not sure if talking $$$ here is a no-no so I'm sure I'll be told if it is. I saw this posted somewhere else dated last year:

"Carrier Comfort25HCA330 (outside unit) With Carrier Comfort 25HCA330 air handler(13 SEER, standard fan): $4825
With Carrier Performance FV4BNF002 air handler (14 SEER, variable speed): $5425
This estimate is from Environmental Systems Associates in Columbia and includes adjustments to sheet metal inside the house
(lower positioning of inside unit to give room for a better "curve" of the venting as it exits the top of the unit), pad/legs outside, etc.
I was told that the exterior unit will work with either of the air handlers.
The other quote is from H&C in Laurel:
Lennox XP-15-15 (2.5 ton) exterior unit
Lennox CBX32MV-24/30 air handler (variable speed, 3 ton) (15.2 seer)= $5369
OR
Lennox XP13-30 (2.5 ton) exterior unit
Lennox CBX32MV-24/30 (3 ton) (14 Seer)= $5,087
These quotes include the sheet metal work, new legs & pad, and the other stuff you'd expect.
The Lennox system has more add ons including "better heater"system for another $169."


Why are the prices damn near 40% less than what I am being quoted in NJ?? Maryland isn't on the
other side of the planet or in mainland china where labor is 18 cents per day. What gives? Are
contractors trying to give me the shaft? My cheapest quote is 9k for the Carrier Infinity system
with the cheapest Infinity air handler, the 3 series.
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:18 PM   #36
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Not sure if talking $$$ here is a no-no so I'm sure I'll be told if it is. I saw this posted somewhere else dated last year:

"Carrier Comfort25HCA330 (outside unit) With Carrier Comfort 25HCA330 air handler(13 SEER, standard fan): $4825
With Carrier Performance FV4BNF002 air handler (14 SEER, variable speed): $5425
This estimate is from Environmental Systems Associates in Columbia and includes adjustments to sheet metal inside the house
(lower positioning of inside unit to give room for a better "curve" of the venting as it exits the top of the unit), pad/legs outside, etc.
I was told that the exterior unit will work with either of the air handlers.
The other quote is from H&C in Laurel:
Lennox XP-15-15 (2.5 ton) exterior unit
Lennox CBX32MV-24/30 air handler (variable speed, 3 ton) (15.2 seer)= $5369
OR
Lennox XP13-30 (2.5 ton) exterior unit
Lennox CBX32MV-24/30 (3 ton) (14 Seer)= $5,087
These quotes include the sheet metal work, new legs & pad, and the other stuff you'd expect.
The Lennox system has more add ons including "better heater"system for another $169."


Why are the prices damn near 40% less than what I am being quoted in NJ?? Maryland isn't on the
other side of the planet or in mainland china where labor is 18 cents per day. What gives? Are
contractors trying to give me the shaft? My cheapest quote is 9k for the Carrier Infinity system
with the cheapest Infinity air handler, the 3 series.
Yours is a Heat Pump that looks like a A/C only.

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Old 01-14-2009, 07:27 PM   #37
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Specs for that unit. Date is determined by the 3rd and 4th digits of the serial #. Ex 6396A = 1996 made in January. http://tech.lennoxintl.com/PDFs/us_ehb_hp20_9010.pdf
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Those are lower level models also.

Not in the same league as the equipment you have been quoted on.
They are also, only doing transition duct work. No major changes.
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Those are lower level models also.

Not in the same league as the equipment you have been quoted on.
They are also, only doing transition duct work. No major changes.

Only the Carrier is top of the line [ for that manufacturer ], the Lennox XP15 and Trane XL15i are middle of the road.

The ductwork in the garage is transitional, meaning it is only enough to extend from the air handler suspended from the garage ceiling to where the ductwork enters the house. It was estimated to be 35-38 feet of ductwork.

In the quote I found online, the Lennox HP and the air handler is the exact same as I was quoted. The 2nd Lennox price in that same quote is for a downgraded HP and air handler. The Carrier system from the quote I found is also high end Infinity series.

I don't see how your comment is relative to my question on price difference. You highlighted something that isn't true, those models are not lower end equipment vs the models I was quoted. I can't be certian about the ductwork but subtract the average of $750 that I was quoted for that portion of it and the prices are still off, by a lot.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:57 AM   #40
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The Carrier, HCA, is one level above builders grade.

The Trane 15XLi, is several levels above that HCA.
The 15i, is Trane's highest end single stage unit.


The prices you saw for someone else, were just for the duct transition at the unit, not 38 foot of insulated duct.

Now, the question is.

If someone on any board says, yes those prices are too high.
And you tell those contractors that they are too high. And they say, thats our price, we can't lower it.
What are you going to do.
Most likely, get more prices.

That is what you should do now.
Just get more prices.
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The Carrier, HCA, is one level above builders grade.

The Trane 15XLi, is several levels above that HCA.
The 15i, is Trane's highest end single stage unit.


The prices you saw for someone else, were just for the duct transition at the unit, not 38 foot of insulated duct.

Now, the question is.

If someone on any board says, yes those prices are too high.
And you tell those contractors that they are too high. And they say, thats our price, we can't lower it.
What are you going to do.
Most likely, get more prices.

That is what you should do now.
Just get more prices.

Succinctly put. LOL
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:21 PM   #42
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I've been reading the AHRI ratings for different HP│Air Handler combinations recommended by the
three contractors I have refined my search to. Perhaps someone here can answer something, AHRI
lists a category as "Low Heating 17ƒ" and in that column is a BTU rating. Is this the amount of BTU's
generated at 17ƒ? and the greater the BTU generated here the less required from the heat strip?
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Be very careful you don't start throwing around internet prices with your local contractors. It is insulting and when we get a smarta*s customer we generally don't do "premium" work. You already went thru that once.
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just a thought pick a contractor that youd like to use offer them lets say 7500.00 in crisp new 20 dollar bills and see what happens (honestly offer to pay in cash) this time of year things slow down a bit ya never know and the worst thing that could happen is you pay full price
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Does cash even have that lure it once did vs other payments means like a credit card or check?

The AHRI "Low Heating 17ƒ" is an indication of BTU's generated without the electric heat strip kicking in
so a greater number here is beneficial in terms of keeping the electric heat off.

Which of these systems would you prefer if cost was not the deciding factor
but rather the EER, HSPF and Low Heating 17ƒ rating:

Trane 2.5 ton XR14 model 4TWR4030C
Trane variable speed air handler model 4TEE3F31
EER 12.3
HSPF 8.8
18200 BTU


Trane’s XL15i model 4TWX5030A
Trane variable speed air handler model 4TEE3F40B
EER 13
HSPF 9
15200 BTU


Trane XL15i 2 1/2ton 4TWX5030A
Trane variable speed air handler model 4TEE3F31
EER 12.3
HSPF 8.8
18200 BTU but this configuration nets a higher High Heating 47 F BTU rating of2200

Lennox XP14-030
Lennox CBX32MV-030 variable speed air handler
EER 12
HSPF 8.25
17000 BTU


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