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Old 06-04-2013, 07:45 PM   #1
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Before I get to that: I'm NOT a heating or cooling contractor. I do not know as much as one when it comes to HVAC, but I do know my fair share. If you have any questions, please private message me.
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I saw this today at a local video store and thought I should share it. Please note that I took this with my cell phone camera and the quality is not very good at all.

BThis furnace is obviously a hacked installed. It's one of those Bryant Twinned Atmospheric-Vent Models.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm certain that if the furnaces were running in heat mode, in the setup they are in (the furnaces share a common vent) that the flue gases would spill out of the other furnace's draft diverter. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure, but pretty sure. This would result in CO spillage.

On a side note, the electrical was horrible. The wires were actually hanging out of the J-Box. Also, there was stuff piled in front of the furnace.

I'd like everyone's opinion. Also, I'm wondering if I should bring this up to the manager who manages the video store that these furnaces heat/cool?
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:49 PM   #2
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Only reason for the flue gasses to spill out of the other dilution hood, is if the chimney doesn't have enough draft for the furnace that would be running. Or if the store is in a negative pressure. Which in either case it would spill out of the hood the furnace that was running then.

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If you feel that they could create a hazard, show this to the local fire department. If they rent from there, they probably would be more than happy to do a courtesy fire safety inspection.
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That is true. Where I am they inspect all kinds of Commercial businesses for free and if someone reports it they will show up and politely ask if they can inspect it. If refused they may call the gas authority or at least send a concerned letter to the owner and tell him it is now documented. I wonder if it has any combustion air from outside to supply those units when that door is closed. That is very dangerous if it doesn't.
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Thanks everyone. Like I said, I'm not a HVAC tech but hope to someday become a HVAC tech in about the next couple years.

I'm thinking about pointing this out to the lady who manages the store. But thanks! Like I said, I wasn't 100% sure about the chimney gases spilling out of the front of the other furnace, but I guess they wouldn't.

But the electrical wires powering this furnace were sticking out of the J-Box. Wouldn't that be considered "dangerous" too, especially when they were sticking out right next to the gas line?
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The wires should be in the box and its cover on. Only dangerous if the connector comes off and it sparks against the gas line and open a hole in it.

Pointing these things out is the right thing to do. may not be met with a good response. might have been done by her husband/son or some relative that "use" to do HVAC.
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Also, if I'm correct, these furnaces are over 20 years old.

Plus, there was stuff piled in front of the furnace. I'd be truly amazed if someone serviced this thing.

Look at what I found in my attachment! Amazing what Google will find.

The date code on this manual says 12/89 (not pictured as it says it on the second page.) That is a little over 20 years.
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Also to throw it out there, you can even have the fire department do a courtesy safety inspection of your own home, point out things like stock piling of chemicals that should not be together, which can create a large hazard during a fire, give you pointers on where to place fire extinguishers, check CO levels, etc..

Some will also bring a couple of Smoke detectors with them to give to you, and even put them up, if you do not have them already.

But as for that rental place, it is not a Family Video per chance is it?
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I really don't understand what you mean by Family Video. It's an independently-owned video store, owned by a lady.

I rent my own house, and it is okay. My house has a CO alarm, two smoke detectors. Plus, I have a Goodman 80% from 2008 with a US Craftmaster Water Heater, both of which are the only gas appliances in my home.
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Family Video is a large privately owned video/game rental business here in the Midwest, that pretty much put Block buster & Hollywood Video out of business in Illinois and Wisconsin.

As for this lady that owns this place, the electrical is a big red flag, and as for the hvac equipment, also another red flag. Most people are not aware of the dangers of this stuff, until a fire happens, then even then, they are still clueless why the fire happened.
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Bring it to the ladies attention. She might tell you its been like that for X years and never had a problem. or that she doesn't have the money to fix it.

Remember, she can be closed down if the local authorities decide its unsafe for occupancy.
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Like I said, I'm no HVAC tech but I do know my fair share of HVAC. I just don't know the more "advanced" stuff, but do know the basics like the parts and the setup of one.

That is why I posted it on here. I wanted actual technician's advice (beenthere and yuri.) I was unsure of the flue pipe, but I'm CERTAIN that the wires hanging out of the J-Box is dangerous, even though they have a wire nut on them.

I had to return a couple DVD's to this place earlier, and was going to bring it to the ladies attention, but she was busy with another costumer.

For gregzoll: This is not a Family Video. From what I can tell, it's a family-run video store called "Video Store South" or something like that.

I'm not trying to get her red-flagged or shut down, I just want people (i.e. the customers and the owner of the store) to be safe.

Also, I'd just LOVE to see their condenser. I bet it's hacked to death as well. Probably crooked, fan motor wiring sticking out of fan grille, and capacitor hanging out of the electrical panel. It's probably been visited by the run cap bandit.

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It's probably been visited by the run cap bandit.
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ROFL.
We normally don't have a problem with hacks here, but a local big company that sells Lennox and Bryant are pretty big hacks. I once saw a Lennox Heat Pump installed by that big company that used bare (no conduit) romex wiring and had no outdoor disconnect.
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You have video stores? Went out with the Dinosaurs a few yrs ago didn't they? Netflix wiped them out where I am plus you can order any movie from the big Cable companies online where I am, even the Adult stuff. No skulking around in the grocery/video store anymore. Ahem, I know nothing about that just happen to see some dudes with brown bags walkin out and we don't have liquor in our stores, just Gov't run liquor stores.

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