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marco1910 01-04-2008 09:49 AM

Furnace not vented to the outside
 
Hi,
New to the forum and really need help as I'm not a great DIY house guy. I currently have an issue I'm trying to figure out. I had a heating furnace installed in May of 2005 up in my attic. Real nice installer and company (I thought). I ordered a Byrant Plus 80% furnace. Seemed like a good fit. After they install they gave me all the info and left. I never felt the need to go up to the attic to check their work.

Anyway, Last week I needed to go up to the attic because I was installing a lighting fixture. I checked out the furnace and noticed that it was not vented to the outside. The exhaust pipe come out right in the attic. The chimney is only about 1-2 feet away. I don't get it. I'm really upset and wonder what impact this has had on my families health. I immediately bought carbon monoxide detectors (so far no problems). I'm in the process of contacting the installer but any advice would be greatly appreciated...how bad is this type of situation?

Thanks,

Marco

USP45 01-04-2008 10:03 AM

I am no heating expert, but I used to work for one where I was the serviceman for oil fired forced hot air units. I know that when fossile fule is burned it emits CARBON MONOXIDE. This is very dangerouse as it is both oderless and tasteless. As you breath it in the carbon monoxide particals attatch themselves to the red blood cells. This hinders the transfer of oxygen from our lungs to the blood cells. If you seem to get real tired during the winter when the heat is on, then when you go out doors you seem to be really perky this is bacause of the carbon monoxide. PLEASE have it looked at ASAP!!
ALSO use someone who did not install it come and look at it. Take pictures, have new person write up what was wrong and why. Then I would contact them and ask them if they want to look at it. If they do and say its ok (They wont repair) see a lawyer.

jogr 01-04-2008 10:06 AM

It's not good. Call the Installer - I can't imagine they would not fix this for you. It sounds like maybe they had a brain fart and just plain forgot to hook it up.

USP45 01-04-2008 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jogr (Post 85457)
It's not good. Call the Installer - I can't imagine they would not fix this for you. It sounds like maybe they had a brain fart and just plain forgot to hook it up.

Ditto, but not brainfart, sheer stupidity.

marco1910 01-04-2008 10:16 AM

btw..this is a gas furnace..not oil

USP45 01-04-2008 10:36 AM

Gas? Ok, may be ok in a carbon monoxide perspective. Still, see what a pro on gas has to say. As far as it goes even if it is said that its ok to vent gas into the attic I as a carpenter would be worried about moisture. You are dumping hot exhaust into a cold attic. This may cause condensation on the bottom of the roof sheathing, thus leading to mold and or rot. Personally I think it should be vented out doors. I have heard that you do have restrictions on your chimney. I dont know how many, or what mix of exhaust you can dump into it. I have seen where someone has a chimney for burning wood and had to have a second one for oil heat because the code said the 2 could not go together in the same chimney for some reason. Lets see what the pros have to say as I too am interested.

marco1910 01-04-2008 10:43 AM

one other thought...I had the house fumigated for termites later in the year (2005) after the furnace was installed. That would be the only other people that might have been in the attic. I wonder if they removed the pipe(s) for the venting..just a theory..anyway I did contact the originally installer and he is coming over here right now.

thanks for all the help/suggestions..I just wonder what type of impact this has been on my families health? I have felt groggy in the morning with the heat on..not sure if that is a effect of this...I'm monitoring CO by my bed and don't see anything..

Marco

p.s. btw..I have noticed for some time "dripping/drops" above my bathroom..I wonder if this is the problem..

jrepp 01-04-2008 10:47 AM

If the gas company ever cuts off the gas to your house / neighborhood for what ever reason, I don't think they will restore your gas service with your furnace not vented properly. This happend to me with an unvented gas water heater, this promped me to quickly install a proper vent.

marco1910 01-04-2008 10:55 AM

I'm really interested now in the health risks...we have had symptoms like headaches..groggy, memory loss..my wife and I have thought it was mainly the signs of old age (we are in our early 50's) and I don't want to jump to conclusions so I'm trying to find out what is the impact of having this condition for the last 2 years. We don't run the furnace during the summer but its on all the time during the winter

USP45 01-04-2008 10:55 AM

I'm really interested now in the health risks...we have had symptoms like headaches..groggy, memory loss..my wife and I have thought it was mainly the signs of old age (we are in our early 50's) and I don't want to jump to conclusions so I'm trying to find out what is the impact of having this condition for the last 2 years. We don't run the furnace during the summer but its on all the time during the winter

These symtoms may be from long term exposure to CM. Seek professional medical advice.

NateHanson 01-04-2008 11:51 AM

Lucky for you, CO exposure is reversible. When you're removed from the CO environment, Oxygen will slowly replace all the CO molecules that are stuck in your hemoglobin.

However, if you're not getting any readings on a digital CO monitor in the house now with the furnace running, I'd guess that your grogginess is coffee related, not carbon monoxide related.

marco1910 01-04-2008 01:10 PM

ok the installer was just here and fixed the problem. He is very prompt..the problem was that the chimney was pushed down..He went up and fixed that and re-piped everything. He said he really could not tell whether the problem was his or the termite guys. He was very honest.

He mentioned that at least the attic was very well vented but this should have never happened. He said that he does get calls all the time after termite tenting where the chimney is pushed down and actually "stops" the operation of the furnance. In this case the actual pipe was not on so he honestly said he had no idea how it happened. He did not charge me and was very honest about it.

Now I'm researching if there are possible health problems associated with this as it was like this for a very long time. If my wife's headaches go away we know there was a problem...geez I have be learn to be more vigilant!

Marco

bigMikeB 01-04-2008 04:50 PM

You do realize that this could have killed your whole family? The problem was caused by the installer. If it was double wall pipe (B vent) it should have had hangers on it to hold the pipe securly in place. If it was single wall, it should have had three screws in each joint to secure it. I would make an appointment with a lawyer and see what he has to say as far as medical test costs and the rest of the associated issues. YOU ARE VERY LUCKY.

marco1910 01-04-2008 06:03 PM

I understand this and am taking appropriate action...thanks

hvac122 01-04-2008 10:08 PM

Was the system inspected after the install? I can't see how they could have missed this. Was you installer licenced?


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