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wlmpdiy 03-02-2011 12:50 PM

Forced hot water boiler help please
 
My parents have a forced hot water heater with radiators. There is no heat going to the house. We checked pilot light is on. My father thinks it the house thermostat? Is there a thermostat in the unit? We have a Peerless Gas Boiler GEM 225 WC. Pictures look like Rmudder 10-30-2010, 09:09 PM posting, but the parts aren't rusted. My father wants to turn power off and replace thermostat. Could it be this or something else? Could you guys help me with this please.
Thanks

Bondo 03-02-2011 05:19 PM

Ayuh,... Jumper the control where the T-stat attaches,...
It should Fire up...

If it does, Dad's Right...

If not, you've got other problems...

Ron6519 03-02-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wlmpdiy (Post 601102)
My parents have a forced hot water heater with radiators. There is no heat going to the house. We checked pilot light is on. My father thinks it the house thermostat? Is there a thermostat in the unit? We have a Peerless Gas Boiler GEM 225 WC. Pictures look like Rmudder 10-30-2010, 09:09 PM posting, but the parts aren't rusted. My father wants to turn power off and replace thermostat. Could it be this or something else? Could you guys help me with this please.
Thanks

Has anyone worked on the boiler lately? If so, that's a likely area to look at.
The link goes to the forum guide, nowhere else.
The first thing I'd check is to see the boiler switch wasn't turned off.
Most houses have one at the top of the basement stairs and some have additional ones at the boiler.
I'd then check to see if the breaker is on. Once you check that, you can move on to the thermostat.
If the thermostat is a digital one, look at the screen. Is the reading legible? If the thermostat has batteries and they're too low, you won't get heat. If the screen is easily readable, is the temperature reading blinking? That's a sign the thermostat is calling for the boiler to turn on. If that's the case, go down to the boiler and see if it has a vent damper. That's a mechanical disk in the flue pipe. It will be mounted in the flue just as it exits the top of the boiler. This device needs to open before the boiler turns on. If you have one, tap the side of it and see if it opens by itself. If it does, plan to replace it as it's at the end of it's life. Mine lasted 10 years.
If it doesn't open by itself, there's a switch on the side. You can move the switch and manuallyopen the damper. Once it's open, the boiler will come on. Lock the damper in the open position until you can get it replaced.
Check this stuff and let me know the outcome.
Ron

wlmpdiy 03-05-2011 12:16 AM

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Father was right, I purchased a honeywell (heat only) non digital thermostat and it worked. But tonight my father was turning on the lights in the dining room, preparing to adjust the thermostat, and the lights went out in a few rooms in the house. He went to the circuit breaker and switch on the rooms that blow out. Came back to the thermostat to adjust and now it isn't working! Should I replace the honeywell or should I jumper the control where the T-stat attaches? How do you jumper the control? How do you know where T-Stat attaches? Freezing in house!!!

wlmpdiy 03-05-2011 12:22 AM

I think my father is the only one to check boiler. He cleans and vacs the dirt out and replaced the pilot light. I'm hoping to find diagram of whats in the system. He knows the pilot light switch, but he isn't sure where the thermostat is and a few other things. I'll ask him about the vent damper and mechanical disk.

Ron6519 03-05-2011 07:35 AM

If you have a low voltage thermostat, you just connect the 2 wires together to turn the boiler on. The boiler won't go off until you disconnect the wires.
This is a temporay solution and should not be down long term.
This looks like a house that is not maintained if the boiler is any indication. The circulator pump needs to have it's gaskets replaced. The wiring I see in the picture doesn't belong there and the burner tubes don't look like they've been cleaned in a long time.
You could have posted a picture of the stack coming out of the boiler to know if there was a vent damper.
If the lights go out, check the panel for a tripped breaker. If it's not the breaker, call an electrician.
Ron

Bondo 03-05-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wlmpdiy (Post 602731)
I think my father is the only one to check boiler. He cleans and vacs the dirt out and replaced the pilot light. I'm hoping to find diagram of whats in the system. He knows the pilot light switch, but he isn't sure where the thermostat is and a few other things. I'll ask him about the vent damper and mechanical disk.

Ayuh,... It appears, That's a problem...
That boiler needs some Professional attention...

Leaks, like the 1 at the circulator, can't be left alone, but must be Fixed...

Btw,... The T-stat is the white wires coming into the control from the bottom right corner...

wlmpdiy 03-05-2011 10:56 AM

This isn't the picture of my system. Its the picture I referred to in look like Rmudder 10-30-2010, 09:09 PM posting. I will take a picture of our system, but not sure how to upload.
How do you know if you have a low voltage thermostat? Used Honeywell CT87N/CT87K, which worked until lights went out.

wlmpdiy 03-05-2011 10:58 AM

Okay, I don't remember seeing a wire like this on mine? I will look, take picture and upload.

beenthere 03-05-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wlmpdiy (Post 602953)
This isn't the picture of my system. Its the picture I referred to in look like Rmudder 10-30-2010, 09:09 PM posting. I will take a picture of our system, but not sure how to upload.
How do you know if you have a low voltage thermostat? Used Honeywell CT87N/CT87K, which worked until lights went out.

How long did it work? Those aren't one of Honeywell's better thermostat ideas.

On the boilers aquastat you should see 2 terminals Marked T. The TT terminals are where the thermostat connects to.

how 03-05-2011 11:49 AM

If you decide to jumper the thermostat connections at the boiler, disconect one of those thermostat lines at the boiler when you do it or you may end up frying the anticipater on your thermostat.

wlmpdiy 03-05-2011 12:25 PM

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Pictures of my system. It last 2 days until the lights going out incident. Talked to Honeywell and they said wrong thermostat. I need RTH5100. A low voltage thermostat since I didn't know if my system was 24volts. Tried twisting wires to make system come on at wall, where we removed thermostat, but it didn't work. Running to Home Depot - will be back.

Ron6519 03-05-2011 12:41 PM

That boiler needs to be cleaned also. The circulator pump might need to be oiled. Look for oil cups on the top and sides.
The thermostat wire is the thin one at the bottom of the electric box. It looks to be a low voltage thermostat. Youy can confirm this by looking at that wire and comparing it to the one that comes out of the wall upstairs.
Did you find the electrical issue? It may be the issue that shut the boiler down.
You can't allow the house temps to stay below freezing too long or the pipes will freeze and burst.
Ron

beenthere 03-05-2011 02:00 PM

If it didn't come on when you twisted the wires together at the wall, then it isn't the thermostat.

how 03-05-2011 03:37 PM

Did you see any small sparks when you touched the thermostat lines together. Touch those two wires together and apart a few times to see if you can see a small spark. If so, you at least know that you have power to the boiler and the thermostat circuit is complete. Beyond that, if your pilot is on, the gas valve contol is on and you don't have a manual limit control button that needs to be reset..the next step will require an electrical meter to see if you are getting 24 V at the gas valve terminals from the transformer.

PS. Is your house a rancher...because otherwise your water pressure looks to these old eyes, on the low side.


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