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Old 07-29-2012, 03:40 PM   #31
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This is why I had the HVAC servicer use the new Super sealant advanced with Dry/r inside .

From what I understand (from reading online only) the new product helps eliminate some of the problems that in the past could happen from missing important steps by the hvac servicers -therefore I figured this product might lower the chance of problems with moisture inside lines as it claims to neutrizes 20 drops and i believe also claims it neutrizes acid.

Again, I am only going on what I read, I have no prior real world experience -only what I have in my system the past few weeks.

I guess the true test - based on what others are saying -is that I need to wait till next summer and see if it is not clogged up or compressor siezed by then.

Until then, I will give a end of summer update on the stats of my ac system operation and see if they deteriated from where it is now or stayed the same - this thread is about super seal/easy sealant experiences after all .

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Old 07-29-2012, 04:47 PM   #32
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Dry/r inside. Just another thing that doesn't belong in a refrigeration circuit.

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Here's an example of how concerned the guy that did my recharge is about the EPA.
Recharged the system,removed the hoses.with the Freon hose pointing into my yard he opens the valve to clear out the Freon left in the line.
I don't think the EPA has the time,energy or resources to check on what home owners are doing with Freon.

Also as a side question for the HVAC guys.
How can u tell how much Freon in terms of lbs your putting into a unit so as to bill the customer accordingly?
How about a third alternative - the AAC guys may kick me off the site.

Go on craigslist and look for a used condensor unit. In FL you can find slightly used systems all the time. You may be just buying another headache.

I had a house tear down across the street with a 2010 R410 Rheem 2.5 ton condensor for about $450. The people moved out in 2011 and took care of their stuff too. They also had a 5 year old or so Trane XB 3 ton for about $500 (R22 unit).
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:32 PM   #34
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How about a third alternative - the AAC guys may kick me off the site.

Go on craigslist and look for a used condensor unit. In FL you can find slightly used systems all the time. You may be just buying another headache.

I had a house tear down across the street with a 2010 R410 Rheem 2.5 ton condensor for about $450. The people moved out in 2011 and took care of their stuff too. They also had a 5 year old or so Trane XB 3 ton for about $500 (R22 unit).
that would be great if you know the leak is outside. the outside unit is about 1/3 of the system.

Also those prices may be ok for homeowner, but the pros don't pay too much more for new warrantied units. Plus some may think it is unfair but we would charge more to install a unit that we could not make a mark up on. Think of it this way why should a contractor make less for the same work just because you bought the outside unit. just my opinion.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:57 AM   #35
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What I am OK with is saving money!
If you choose to see it at supporting thieves then so be it.
How can anyone see this any other way?

Legitimate contractors would not sell refrigerants on CraigsList or any other web service (and, as shown in my earlier link, it would be illegal to do so without requiring you to prove that you have the certification to do so). Also, a legitimate contractor can make more money selling it by the pound to customers - so what would be the purpose of selling it ILLEGALY in bulk online?

The answer: The people you're buying that from are not doing so legally. They've stolen it (either from a service truck, or from their employer) and they're selling it to you. Simple as that. If you want to support thieves (and drive up future service costs in the meantime) then have at it. You're the one who has to live with yourself.

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I thought I had found a honest/fair HVAC guy to recharge my system but I have now come to the realization that he was not honest or fair in what he charged me.
I might agree with you on that, but as the old saying goes - two wrongs don't make a right!

Just for the sake of argument - what do you think would have been a fair cost to add 3 lbs of refrigerant to your system?
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How can anyone see this any other way?

Legitimate contractors would not sell refrigerants on CraigsList or any other web service (and, as shown in my earlier link, it would be illegal to do so without requiring you to prove that you have the certification to do so). Also, a legitimate contractor can make more money selling it by the pound to customers - so what would be the purpose of selling it ILLEGALY in bulk online?

The answer: The people you're buying that from are not doing so legally. They've stolen it (either from a service truck, or from their employer) and they're selling it to you. Simple as that. If you want to support thieves (and drive up future service costs in the meantime) then have at it. You're the one who has to live with yourself.

I might agree with you on that, but as the old saying goes - two wrongs don't make a right!

Just for the sake of argument - what do you think would have been a fair cost to add 3 lbs of refrigerant to your system?
As for the sales of Freon on craigslist only being sold by people who have stolen it,
Ever consider its a " legitimate contractor " who is out of the trade maybe not by choice (health,layoff,fired) might be the one selling it cause he needs the money?

As for the 3 lbs,I not so much questioning the price per pound ( although 80 dollars a lb is at the top end I think) I question how he could even know he put 3 lbs in when he never weighed the tank and told me " while" he was in the process of adding it that it would be 3 lbs.
Maybe I only needed 2 lbs or a pound and a half.how does he know how much he's putting in while he's still adding it?

I will also throw out that I think "most"HVAC guys will speak negatively about the easy/ super seal for the simple reason that if it were to be praised it would result in HVAC techs taking quite a big hit in income because recharge service is so lucrative and a quick as easy way to make money.
How big of a part does recharge work make up your business? I'd guess it's a good third of it!

Ex, 240 dollars for 20 minutes of "work".
Anyone would love to make $720.00 an hour!
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I wish the stuff worke reliably, and didn't have ill effects. Would save me from going into hot attics, and damp/wet crawlspaces.
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I wish the stuff worke reliably, and didn't have ill effects. Would save me from going into hot attics, and damp/wet crawlspaces.
Don't hold your breath. Tried it a few years back on some old leakers and 8 out of 10 systems failed. Based on that limited experience it's not even offered anymore. Not only did the systems fail but the company got to rebuild 3 reclaim machines and I had to buy half a dozen manifold heads and one complete manifold set. Two of the ten are still going strong several years later but that's not nearly good enough IMO.
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Don't hold your breath. Tried it a few years back on some old leakers and 8 out of 10 systems failed. Based on that limited experience it's not even offered anymore. Not only did the systems fail but the company got to rebuild 3 reclaim machines and I had to buy half a dozen manifold heads and one complete manifold set. Two of the ten are still going strong several years later but that's not nearly good enough IMO.

Ya, People don't realize what that crap does to our equipment. And that it can be carried into someone else s unit by accident.
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If you bought this pre-ban, then the supply house could do what they like. Many (if not most) of them would not sell to homeowners, since they would likely encounter significant backlash from their contractors.
This give my theory some validity of how lucrative recharge work is for HVAC techs!

What other reason would "contractors" give the supply house backlash.
Taking easy money out of their pockets is the only reason!

If the average homeowner knew how easy it is to diy, and did it.HVAC techs would be hurting for sure.
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This give my theory some validity of how lucrative recharge work is for HVAC techs!

What other reason would "contractors" give the supply house backlash.
Taking easy money out of their pockets is the only reason!

If the average homeowner knew how easy it is to diy, and did it.HVAC techs would be hurting for sure.
R22 was dirt cheap before the ban on venting. So it wasn't a lucrative thing to gs and go as you may think it was.

After the no venting regs came into effect, it did become more profitable.

I have some commercial customers that own their own refrigerants. I don't blame them for buying 100 plus pounds themselves. Also saves me from having to lay out the money until they pay me.
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This give my theory some validity of how lucrative recharge work is for HVAC techs!

What other reason would "contractors" give the supply house backlash.
Taking easy money out of their pockets is the only reason!

If the average homeowner knew how easy it is to diy, and did it.HVAC techs would be hurting for sure.
Sounds like you should open a shop and be rolling in money like the rest of us techs. Very little of my work is gas up with no repair,maybe enough profit in all of them together to fill the van up with gas once.
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Very little of my work is gas up with no repair,maybe enough profit in all of them together to fill the van up with gas once.
Lmao!
Yea,Ok!
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Your on to something here,

Recharging is an HVAC Contractors greatest profit center, they bill out by the lb. Without using a scale, charge 10x the cost per pound and find a way to get 90 lbs out of a 30# drum.
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Your on to something here,

Recharging is an HVAC Contractors greatest profit center, they bill out by the lb. Without using a scale, charge 10x the cost per pound and find a way to get 90 lbs out of a 30# drum.
I have 2 scales. I use them, but round up to the nearest pound, and do sell more then 30 pounds from a 30 pound cylinder fairly often. Thee are those times that i don't sell 30 pounds from a 30 pound cylinder. Many contractors use scales and bill out by them.

You are correct, there are those that don't.

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