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Old 07-28-2012, 04:13 PM   #16
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Here's an example of how concerned the guy that did my recharge is about the EPA.
Recharged the system,removed the hoses.with the Freon hose pointing into my yard he opens the valve to clear out the Freon left in the line.
I don't think the EPA has the time,energy or resources to check on what home owners are doing with Freon.

Also as a side question for the HVAC guys.
How can u tell how much Freon in terms of lbs your putting into a unit so as to bill the customer accordingly?

1. you will see my scale under the jug if I am adding or removing.
2. Some linesets cannot be removed that run thru walls.....3 years ago I changed an upstairs system that the lineset cannot be replaced and only flushed....ended up on leaving the section of lineset between the crawlspace and upstairs...(approx. 20ft) because of that crap being saturated in the system. Almost was asphixiated from the fumes that crap gave off. Please let whoever comes out know you have put that sheet in the system......
3. It is allowable to vent off your hoses after is has been hooked to a system....Why? because when the hoses sits in you van in the sun and you guages get to high temps it will ruin them.


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Old 07-28-2012, 04:38 PM   #17
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1. you will see my scale under the jug if I am adding or removing.
I have heard of a scale being used.
Would it be safe to say if your not using a scale and only the gauges that you're guessing at the amount that you put in?
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:58 PM   #18
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Sometimes i weight the jug when I take it back out to the truck. Since I top off charges by SH and SC. Don't need to know the exact amount I put in until i write up he bill.
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I was against it for a long time. tried it this year so far so good like I said. I informed customers of the potential problems i could see.

If you can find leaks easy good for you. I have never had much luck with electronic leak detectors. I currently own 4 by different manufactures. I use them but if I can't prove what they are telling me with a soap bubble I don't trust them.

As far a cloggs in two units or for that matter my success with two units neither is a broad enough test. Time will tell and if it is harmfull the industry will abandon its use. Not long ago most of us felt the same way about dyes. and now most accept them.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:02 PM   #20
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Personally, I don't use dyes either.
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Personally, I don't use dyes either.
I don't either, but it seems they are now acepted
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:15 PM   #22
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I don't either, but it seems they are now acepted

Just more people using it cause they are too lazy to really look for the leak.
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:54 AM   #23
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I am hoping that someone might be able to help with a question I have .

As I described in a earlier post, as of 2 weeks ago I have a sealent in my 21 year old system. I would like to keep a close eye on the system performance (which so far seems very good)-and have been watching the temperature differences between return and register, and how fast it takes for temp to drop with a relative outdoor conditions, humidity levels etc. I also have been keeping track of how warm/hot the liquid line is after 20 min operating -how much heat is coming out the condensor fan over and above ambient outdoor air-and how cold suction line is - I have been checking both line temps at the compressor.

My question is - if the sealent was harming the compressor or blocking lines/valves/dryer, wouldnt I already see the effect of it somewhere? I mean if no one is going to touch the closed system going forward (which assumes the small leak is fixed) -hasnt the sealent basically already done its job (or any damage) within the 1st hour or so after original install?

Like I said earlier I do not have any experience with AC other than very basic maintainence, but I would think by now I would see some symtoms such as high pressures/high temp in the liquid line , or poor performance in cooling in general, or strange sounds from compressor, or hard start of compressor - but I see none of this as of now. I do not have gauges so I can only go by these crude measures.

Should I be looking for something else that I may have missed? Thanks for any thought or ideas on this.
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I think I will just buy some r22 and gauges off of craigslist and just add the Freon myself as needed till I can replace the unit( 22 years old).
You should instead say "I think I will just buy some STOLEN r22 and gauges off of craigslist".

Nobody in the HVAC business would sell R22 in builk to end consumers, and especially not for $10 a lb. If you're okay with supporting thieves, then go for it.
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if the sealent was harming the compressor or blocking lines/valves/dryer, wouldnt I already see the effect of it somewhere
Not necessarily. I've seen them go several months with no troubles before the clogs start. Once you put that stuff in, it doesn't just find the leak and then "stop". It continues to circulate through the system.
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Not necessarily. I've seen them go several months with no troubles before the clogs start. Once you put that stuff in, it doesn't just find the leak and then "stop". It continues to circulate through the system.
Yep, its mixed in with the oil, and continues to circulate. Might not effect the system until next year, after it sits in the compressor for a winter.
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You should instead say "I think I will just buy some STOLEN r22 and gauges off of craigslist".

Nobody in the HVAC business would sell R22 in builk to end consumers, and especially not for $10 a lb. If you're okay with supporting thieves, then go for it.

my two jugs (r12 and r22) are not stolen and I am just a Homeowner.
I bought mine from a supply house. so supply houses do sell to end consumers. In this case, CASH talked.

now for the fine print...

I have gauges and know how to use them. Will I fill my own system if it gets low. NOPE.... I am not willing to take the chance either on making a charging mistake or breaking the epa rules.
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If you bought this pre-ban, then the supply house could do what they like. Many (if not most) of them would not sell to homeowners, since they would likely encounter significant backlash from their contractors.

If you bought this post-ban (i.e. today) then unless you have an EPA certification, that supply house did so illegally and should be reported. If you want to take the time to get certified (it's not too hard), and if the supply house is willing to take the risk, then they can sell whatever they like.

MY point was buying a drum of 22 off Craig's List. That is illegal per EPA regulations - see the last item at this link:

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/sales/sales.html

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I don't think the EPA has the time,energy or resources to check on what home owners are doing with Freon
Whether the EPA has the desire or resources to enforce this is not the issue. It's illegal. If you're okay with doing that, then I guess there's little anyone could say to change your mind.
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Nobody in the HVAC business would sell R22 in builk to end consumers, and especially not for $10 a lb. If you're okay with supporting thieves, then go for it.


What I am OK with is saving money!
If you choose to see it at supporting thieves then so be it.
I thought I had found a honest/fair HVAC guy to recharge my system but I have now come to the realization that he was not honest or fair in what he charged me.
He chargeed me $80 a lb for 3 lbs of Freon.
The can was still in the box( just opened it)while he was charging the system and told me while he was charging it that it will take 3 lbs WHILE he's still charging the system. He never weighed the tank so unless he has a scale implanted in his arm, I see it as he just guessed at the amount which makes me think he over charged me.
So I guess u can say I am supporting thieves,this one just had a licence to do it.
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Not defending the super seal because I am still on the fence about it. But if a system cloggs a year or two after using it you really can't say it was the supper seal. I see restrictions quite offen. I would say a few a year. I have been seeing them happen for the last 15 + years. Well before this stuff was around.

The stuff has directions to follow on the can. Dont rember exactly what it says but the last time i used it most of the directions seemed to me were for limiting the restrictions. I am sure some (not saying anyone here) don't read the instructions and then complain when they have problems

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