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Old 02-14-2014, 08:53 PM   #16
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My brother did, to not use as much Kerosene, when running the furnace. It is actually running better with the new Orifice he said, then when it was using heating oil, and the Orifice he had in there, which was put in about two years ago.

Due to the prices in upstate NY, around Ft. Drum, he is looking at just going with a Propane furnace at this point, since LPG is the same cost as Kerosene.
Since he changed 2 things at on time(switched to kerosene and went with a smaller nozzle) no way to know if it would have done even better with #2 and the smaller nozzle.

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Since he changed 2 things at on time(switched to kerosene and went with a smaller nozzle) no way to know if it would have done even better with #2 and the smaller nozzle.
Trust me. He knows what he is doing. The guy has a higher IQ then all of us on this forum put together. As for using #2, it is more expensive as I stated up in the Ft. Drum area. Everyone up there is finding any way they can, to make their oil burning boilers & furnaces run on the cheaper fuels.

NY taxes more then any other state on heating fuel. He stated that it is going for around $5.50/gal for Heating oil up in his area right now. There is only one company also that only delivers heating oil in his area, so they pretty much are a monopoly from what those residents in that area have found out.

A lot of people he stated have started to go with Propane boilers & furnaces, or even just using Pellet stoves for heating.
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Ayuh,.... Diesel fuel, 'n home heatin' oil, are Both #2 oil,....

The only difference is, home heatin' oil has dye added to it, so's if put into a truck fuel tank, the government can over charge ya TAXES on the fuel,....

Dye, 'n the Tax load is the Only difference,.....
Actually, the red dye is in the home heating oil, indicating that it's not highway taxed. That way, when HWY or the DOT check trucks, the tank fuel better NOT be red. If it was the other way, anyone could add dye to their untaxed diesel.
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Actually, the red dye is in the home heating oil, indicating that it's not highway taxed. That way, when HWY or the DOT check trucks, the tank fuel better NOT be red. If it was the other way, anyone could add dye to their untaxed diesel.
Just to clear this up, so it does not keep going on about why the dye is added.

"Fuel dyes are dyes added to fuels, as in some countries it is required by law to dye a low-tax fuel to deter its use in applications intended for higher-taxed ones. Untaxed fuels are referred to as "dyed", while taxed ones are called "clear" or "white"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dyes

Now of course this little tid-bit makes it even more fun. "Aviation gasoline is dyed, both for tax reasons (avgas is typically taxed to support aviation infrastructure) as well as safety (due to the consequences of fueling an aircraft with the wrong kind of fuel)."
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Trust me. He knows what he is doing. The guy has a higher IQ then all of us on this forum put together. As for using #2, it is more expensive as I stated up in the Ft. Drum area. Everyone up there is finding any way they can, to make their oil burning boilers & furnaces run on the cheaper fuels.

NY taxes more then any other state on heating fuel. He stated that it is going for around $5.50/gal for Heating oil up in his area right now. There is only one company also that only delivers heating oil in his area, so they pretty much are a monopoly from what those residents in that area have found out.

A lot of people he stated have started to go with Propane boilers & furnaces, or even just using Pellet stoves for heating.
No one changing 2 things at a time can know which one is making the most improvement.
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No one changing 2 things at a time can know which one is making the most improvement.
I did not know that we were discussing what my brother did to his furnace, to allow him to save money. When I last looked at this topic, it was about if Diesel can be used in an Oil furnace.

It seems to me, that you are stuck on one subject, and that is trying to push my buttons. Really at this point it is a moot subject, so time to move on to something else.

Yes changing two things will make an improvement. You ought to know that, if you are in the business. Even I know that, and I do not do hvac as a day job, or after work, but I do know when you make changes in the behavior of a fuel burning appliance, you either will burn less or burn more fuel.
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I did not know that we were discussing what my brother did to his furnace, to allow him to save money. When I last looked at this topic, it was about if Diesel can be used in an Oil furnace.

I apologize Greg. However, you did bring him into the conversation. And posted that he made a change to burn kerosene. Which is not needed.

It seems to me, that you are stuck on one subject, and that is trying to push my buttons. Really at this point it is a moot subject, so time to move on to something else.

Nope, just pointing out that changes in nozzle size are not required. And saying someone did to change to kerosene and uses less fuel. Has nothing to actually do with changing over to kerosene.

Yes changing two things will make an improvement. You ought to know that, if you are in the business. Even I know that, and I do not do hvac as a day job, or after work, but I do know when you make changes in the behavior of a fuel burning appliance, you either will burn less or burn more fuel.


Since you just said you don't know about HVAC, don't say what is or isn't needed to use a different fuel. Since changing 2 things doesn't mean you "will" make an improvement.
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Since you just said you don't know about HVAC, don't say what is or isn't needed to use a different fuel. Since changing 2 things doesn't mean you "will" make an improvement.
Your point is what. All you are trying to do is push buttons, and act like no one else in this world, should have knowledge how to make those items that burn fuel more efficient (ie vehicles, furnaces). I do believe that as I stated before, that my brother knows what he is doing, and has a lot of time as a gear head, working on cars since he was 13.. I would trust what my brother is doing in making his old Oil burning furnace burn more efficient, while he is using Kerosene, then some person on a Internet forum.

If you want to push someone's buttons, go find someone else to bother.
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Your point is what. All you are trying to do is push buttons, and act like no one else in this world, should have knowledge how to make those items that burn fuel more efficient (ie vehicles, furnaces). I do believe that as I stated before, that my brother knows what he is doing, and has a lot of time as a gear head, working on cars since he was 13.. I would trust what my brother is doing in making his old Oil burning furnace burn more efficient, while he is using Kerosene, then some person on a Internet forum.

If you want to push someone's buttons, go find someone else to bother.
LOL. Some person on the internet. Good point since we are both just some person on the internet.

Often just lowering the firing rate will save on fuel. Switching to kerosene has nothing to do with it.

Believe what you want. Just don't spread it as gospel when you don't know.
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LOL. Some person on the internet. Good point since we are both just some person on the internet.

Often just lowering the firing rate will save on fuel. Switching to kerosene has nothing to do with it.

Believe what you want. Just don't spread it as gospel when you don't know.
Whatever. I do believe I have a better clue in how this works, and the fact that I trust my brother over someone on some Internet forum, that states that they work on hvac equipment, but in turn shows Blasphemy or contempt towards those that they feel that should be under them.

Sorry that you being a mod, makes you feel that you are the god of the forum. But at times you need to just step back and start listening to posters, instead of running the thread in the direction that you want, and continue to speak down on others (ie myself), just because you either disagree, or have not taken the time to go out and research facts, even though you continue to state that it is fiction.

Have it your way, but at this point, I think that it has become the reason this board has downslided worse then Obama's ratings, is people like you that have contempt towards others (see above).
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Shame, shame beenthere. Don't you know that Greg is always right and this is his board.
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Shame, shame beenthere. Don't you know that Greg is always right and this is his board.
Of course his brother having been a gear head, and working on cars since he was 13 means he knows how to set up oil burners far better then anyone else, specially me. LOL
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Changing the firing rate will also cause the burner to run longer to accomplish the same BTU output. My issue with oil burners is the sheer waste of heat through the flue, they're always extremely hot. I hope more modern units have figured a way to recapture that lost heat.
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Aw Cmon guys. this is a good forum/most people get along and having a good old fashioned pisssing match is a waste of time IMO. Beenthere helps a lot of people but does like to "make his technical point" and I do sometimes also. There is a difference between making a technical point and getting the last word in. I was concerned about your brothers safety if it was not burning properly. No need to be so touchy.

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Changing the firing rate will also cause the burner to run longer to accomplish the same BTU output. My issue with oil burners is the sheer waste of heat through the flue, they're always extremely hot. I hope more modern units have figured a way to recapture that lost heat.
They came out with condensing oil furnaces many years ago(vented with PVC). But they were unreliable, and cost more to keep working then they saved.

Been several years since I last worked on one. I changed it out to a condensing gas furnace when they called and said ooops. We put some gas in the diesel tank to thin it for the trucks that were starting hard in the colder mornings, and forgot the oil furnace uses the same diesel tank. LOL, they got lucky the one maintenance guy shut the furnace off as soon as he heard they added gas.

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