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Old 12-04-2009, 12:23 AM   #46
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SELLC was right! His advice and discussion totally saved me money. I was annoyed by HVACLover's alarmist conversations with SELLC when the only problem with my Comfortmaker Furnace was a dirty heat probe. I just sanded it down and the house is as warm as apple pie.

For those that will benefit: remove the burner plate by unscrewing the 10? screws. Find the wire that leads to the back left of the unit. That is the flame/heat probe that is held in place by a flat head screw. Get a long screwdriver and then pull out the probe and sand it down.

The project takes longer to search on the internet than to actually do!

yea SELLC! Keep up the postings and the sharing of information - It's what makes the internet great!
You found the sensor? GOOD FOR YOU.
By the way when was YOUR furnace last professionally checked?

My comments were not alarmist, but another thing that is more important is since this information is being given to you free of charge what gives you the right to judge the content just because you are being told something you don't want to hear? You are killing the messenger because you don't like the news.

This week alone I went on three jobs to give a second opinion and found holes in all three RPJIII heat exchangers you could put your fist thru.

When asked for information the pros do it for free and on their own time.
If you have a service problem with a model that is known to represent health hazard or possibly even death you won't get, at least from me, any helpful info.
I need to be able to look my self in the mirror in the morning.

And I think it's obvious that we derive no monetary benefit from telling a poster his furnace might be bad. Did you think we ggot our work from this board or some such?

So to call us alarmist is asinine because we have nothing to gain except the peace of mind we did not contribute a poster's death.

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SELLC was right! His advice and discussion totally saved me money. I was annoyed by HVACLover's alarmist conversations with SELLC when the only problem with my Comfortmaker Furnace was a dirty heat probe. I just sanded it down and the house is as warm as apple pie.

For those that will benefit: remove the burner plate by unscrewing the 10? screws. Find the wire that leads to the back left of the unit. That is the flame/heat probe that is held in place by a flat head screw. Get a long screwdriver and then pull out the probe and sand it down.

The project takes longer to search on the internet than to actually do!

yea SELLC! Keep up the postings and the sharing of information - It's what makes the internet great!
You found the sensor? GOOD FOR YOU.
By the way when was YOUR furnace last professionally checked?

My comments were not alarmist, but another thing that is more important is since this information is being given to you free of charge what gives you the right to judge the content just because you are being told something you don't want to hear? You are killing the messenger because you don't like the news.

This week alone I went on three jobs to give a second opinion and found holes in all three RPJIII heat exchangers you could put your fist thru.

When asked for information the pros do it for free and on their own time.
If you have a service problem with a model that is known to represent health hazard or possibly even death you won't get , at least from me, any helpful info.
I need to be able to look my self in the mirror in the morning.

And I think it's obvious that we derive no monetary benefit from telling a poster his furnace might be bad. Did you think we ggot our work from this board or some such?

So to call us alarmist is asinine because we have nothing to gain except the peace of mind we did not contribute a poster's death.

Oh, just so you know---sandpaper is not to be used on flame sensors. Only fine steel wool.

Sandpaper makes deeper scoring marks winch accumulate dirt quicker and
and causing sensor failure sooner.

Not everything can be learned on the internet.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:49 AM   #48
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Now I am a lurker?

You do know I do get an e-mail every time someone replies, dont you?

You speak of my personality, yet you are the one with a vampire for an avatar. HVACLover, do you make it a practice of selling people a new furnace under the pretence that it "Could go any day" or "On its last legs"?

In the automotive business we are not permitted to use scare tactics to up-sell jobs, and if the part isnt BROKEN we cant replace it, unless the customers request to do so. Maybe when someone comes in for a tune up tomorrow I can sell them an engine, because it could go any day.

No. You were never off line during that entire exchange. You log on icon told the whole story. You were lurking.
Are you so naive to think the pros are selling furnaces from this site?

Tell you what, I keep gents such as your self employed since I have my vehicles maintained and repaired professionally. So don't be so quick to throw stones at this profession while your own has a image problem of it's own to overcome.
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I have a similar problem occuring with my comfortmaker RPG II furnace as well - with one flash. Wondering what you found out. I would like to try and figure out if we need a new system before throwing good money away on a service call plus ?

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Check the error code legend on the back of the lower door or on the circuit board. Condemmed a 17 yr old RPJ this week due to 3 blown compression rivets. There is a easy way for a Pro or average tech to check those exchangers but our DIE hard friends want to trust CO detectors rather than Pro advice. Must be a pain being a doctor these days with your patients second guessing you with their internet "research".

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Check the error code legend on the back of the lower door or on the circuit board. Condemmed a 12 yr old RPJ this week due to 3 blown compression rivets. There is a easy way for a Pro or average tech to check those exchangers but our DIE hard friends want to trust CO detectors rather than Pro advice. Must be a bug*er being a doctor these days with your patients second guessing you with their internet "research".

Yuri my Canuckian friend, there are always going to be guys who want to show up tradesman. They are just rabble rousers who want to show that with no formal schooling they can do what we do. I say let them try.

Our state board just cleared a contractor who had a man slaughter charge pending against him.

A three year old died in the house fire the HO blamed on the contractor.
The limit was open and the contractor was accused of jumping it and said it would be ok.

When the house went up the police arrested the contractor on the statement of the HO who said that even though the contractors invoice indicated "no repair made" the contractor, for a fifty dollar bribe, jumped the limit.

What cleared him was a Radio Shack employee sold the HO a set of alligator clips and a small coil of wire. The HO was complaining to the Radio Shack about the contractor would not repair the furnace due to it's condition.

He came forward and his testimony cleared the contractor.

I just hope to God none of the knuckle heads DIYs who think they are better than a well trained and experienced tech will ever have that happen to them.

When a guy is giving you free info over the net, he has no interest in selling furnaces, take the advice as gospel.
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My furnace is safe and sound and all my customers. I have walked away from them with no fee collected if they look like crooks and my boss is happy to pay my time to go there. Had one drunken loony try sue us for no heat. Turned out he got 1180 litres of Propane delivered next day and his tank holds 1200. When our lawyer found that out case dismissed. Not sure why people will compromise their safety and that of small children all in the name of saving a buck (they do find $$ for cigarettes and gambling etc). CO detectors are meant for catastrophic failures (plugged chimneys etc) not to extend the life of the furnace to the "last" day.

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My furnace is safe and sound and all my customers. I have walked away from them with no fee collected if they look like crooks and my boss is happy to pay my time to go there. Had one drunken loony try sue us for no heat. Turned out he got 1180 litres of Propane delivered next day and his tank holds 1200. When our lawyer found that out case dismissed. Not sure why people will compromise their safety and that of small children all in the name of saving a buck (they do find $$ for cigarettes and gambling etc). CO detectors are meant for catastrophic failures (plugged chimneys etc) not to extend the life of the furnace to the "last" day.

I wish they'd start a public service announcements something like this: IF YOU CAN HEAR YOUR MONOXIDE DETECTOR ALARM, THEN YOU MAY ALREADY BE DEAD.

That kind of over the top approach is the only way a jaded public can be jolted in to realization of the importance of annual maintenance.
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SELLC - Any updates on your furnace situation? Has it been running ok since you last checked in or did your RPJ experience popped compression rivets/cracked heat exchanger?
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SELLC - Any updates on your furnace situation? Has it been running ok since you last checked in or did your RPJ experience popped compression rivets/cracked heat exchanger?

He turned out to be an hvac tech posing as a DIY.
He went Bye-Bye.
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I had the same problem and cleaned the flame sensor, I have a friend who is a HVAC tech and he came over and confirmed that was it and no other problems thanks for the advice guys. It did save me a ton of money.
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As per bowanna03 and others.

"I had the same problem and cleaned the flame sensor, I have a friend who is a HVAC tech and he came over and confirmed that was it and no other problems thanks for the advice guys. It did save me a ton of money."

Cleaning the sensor (with wire wool) seems to be useful advice for a 17 year old furnace anyway.
It did the trick for a similar problem I had with a "re-cycling" on/off igniting burners problem.

But - for contractors who read this - We did change out our old Furnace and AC unit for a 96%/16 seer combination for a few reasons -

It's time (after 17 years)
We have a friend/installer in the HVAC trade - we know and trust him.
We got a major Tax refund from the IRS so we have some cash.
We know we can get our ARRA refund this year (probably not next)

We have also are decided to add some options for humidifier and electronic air cleaner units to the system.

My Bottom Line is - use the internet like a Library not a College
Get Advice and Opinions but don't expect it to give Training for something like HVAC - Use a professional (That's probably why there is a recognized/mandated certification system for those guys - right?)
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Your snow blower won't kill you in your sleep. Your furnace can.

Yuri speaks from a position of authority as he has plenty of experience
and technical knowledge.

I on the other hand speak from position of a dealer for your ICP product.

Of which I have been one since their inception in Mi back in the late '80s.

I have replaced enough bad heat exchangers and whole furnaces for the reason that Yuri stated.

We can't protect you from your self, but we can no longer any more qustions if you insist on using that equipment with out getting it checked throughly.

You are in Plymouth and I am in Macomb County; there is a supplier in the area who can provide you with a suprior dealer in your area that can give you the final word on your furnace
ANN ARBOR BRANCH
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FARMINGTON BRANCH
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Call which ever is closest to you to give your self peace of mind.

Please get back to us with what the out come is. We help for no money on this board because the business has been good to us. It is a way we give back.

But in the mean time I am going to ask the mod to temporarily close this thread.

Looks like I probably have the same problem here.
Could you give me the names of some good dealers in my area.
I live in West Linn, Oregon
The furnace is in Tualatin, Oregon, about five miles away.
I think I used Tri-Counties for my own house.
Thanks, would have send a PM but don't have enough posts yet.

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My comfortmaker gas furnace blowing cold air. I turned it off a a few days and tried again. Still the same thing. I replaced the ignitor and ignitor is not heating up. Red light on furnace lights up when I push the on switch but ignitor still not igniting. Any thoughts? I need help..LOL
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My comfortmaker gas furnace blowing cold air. I turned it off a a few days and tried again. Still the same thing. I replaced the ignitor and ignitor is not heating up. Red light on furnace lights up when I push the on switch but ignitor still not igniting. Any thoughts? I need help..LOL
Go back and read this thread again.
If it is blowing cold air, then shuts off, then blowing cold air again....

it is cycling and doesn't recognize that blowing (cold air) is actually working. There is a little simple sensor that probably needs to be cleaned. It is explained further back.

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