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Old 02-28-2011, 08:54 PM   #1
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Evenin lads, new guy here.
Howdy from Maine.

I see my chamber lining is horribly deteriorated.
I also see that a replacement liner is available...

Any words of wisdom at all regarding if this is indeed a DIY-able thing?
Anyone done this themselves?

Thanks,
Rich
ps. It's a Burnham V-33 w/Beckett AFG


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Old 03-01-2011, 01:51 PM   #2
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Oil service fellow just replaced the lining.

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Old 08-18-2011, 03:16 PM   #3
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Seems that you and I have the same issue. I have a Burnham V74 and my oil guy says it needs a combustion chamber liner. Wants to charge me $500.00. Is that what they run, or am I about to get screwed?
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:36 PM   #4
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Howdy Steve.
Seems I paid less than that, but memory's fuzzy..
just asked the wife, and she's not remembering either.

sorry!
i do wish u luk tho
it sure did feel good to see that thing all newly lined afterward..

actually, I do remember thinking when he told me over the phone how much it was goonna be, that I said to my wife "boy, that coulda been a lot worse"


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Old 08-18-2011, 03:46 PM   #5
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Thanks for your help. This service call was an aside from replacing my tank, which sprung a leak. After taking $1800.00 of my money, I guess that they wanted to sell me more.

This company has a reputation for being predators, so I am real leery to use them. I will get this done by another company.
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yikers... 1800 smakers that hurts
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We took a long hard look at converting to gas when the tank had to be replaced, but we couldn't just retrofit a new burner to this boiler, we'd have to buy a whole new furnace. So we decided that this was the lessor of all the evils!
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We took a long hard look at converting to gas when the tank had to be replaced, but we couldn't just retrofit a new burner to this boiler, we'd have to buy a whole new furnace. So we decided that this was the lessor of all the evils!
I feel you didn't look hard enough because gas conversion burners are still being sold.
Here is what you have today.
You have a boiler that is way too big for the house.
You have a fuel that will continue to increase in cost.
You have a fuel that requires a good deal of work every year.
You have old controls and an old circulator,and you have no warrenty.
If your boiler was sized properly (whi8ch yuours is not) and the burner was adjusted perfectly (which yours is not)
you still wouldn't be anywhere near the effiency that you could get with gas.
So all the money you saved is costing you a small fortune.
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Thanks for your reply, but your post sounds too much like a sales pitch.

*The furnace is properly sized for the house

*The boiler is operating at 96% efficiency

*Retrofitting a gas burner to a boiler with a manifold sized for the hotter flame of an oil fired gun is NOT a good idea. The unit would operate longer to attain the steam necessary to pressurize the lines, thereby offsetting any presumed savings on methane.

*Gas seems to rise in my area commensurate with the price of oil.

*I wasn't going to invest $3 - 5000 in new equipment to get the minimal payback that I couldn't recoup quickly.

At the end of the day, it was a cost-benefit analysis. Unless someone gave me the equipment for free, I wasn't biting.

But thank you for your input.
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Thanks for your reply, but your post sounds too much like a sales pitch.

*The furnace is properly sized for the house

*The boiler is operating at 96% efficiency

*Retrofitting a gas burner to a boiler with a manifold sized for the hotter flame of an oil fired gun is NOT a good idea. The unit would operate longer to attain the steam necessary to pressurize the lines, thereby offsetting any presumed savings on methane.

*Gas seems to rise in my area commensurate with the price of oil.

*I wasn't going to invest $3 - 5000 in new equipment to get the minimal payback that I couldn't recoup quickly.

At the end of the day, it was a cost-benefit analysis. Unless someone gave me the equipment for free, I wasn't biting.

But thank you for your input.
Hey Steve,I'm glad you are happy with your heating system,I really am.
You are however wrong in some of your beliefs.
Asan HVAC contractor for around 30+ years,I have found properly sized boilers in 2 maybe 3 homes so the chance you have one is like one in a couple of thousand.
Two,If you have a 96% boiler then there are hundreds and hundreds of engineers that will want to take a look at your boiler.A new oil boiler is at best 85% and that is if its properly sized and the burner is properly set up with the right grade of oil.My guess is that your boiler is 2-3 points on either side of 80% at the very most.
I have personally installed gas conversion burners so that is not a big deal.
With oil you still have that labor intensive cleaning and burner set up every year that you don't have with a gas burner.
So again I'm glad you are happy ,but be happy with the facts.Don't make things up just to be happy.
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Thanks for your reply, but your post sounds too much like a sales pitch.

*The furnace is properly sized for the house

*The boiler is operating at 96% efficiency

*Retrofitting a gas burner to a boiler with a manifold sized for the hotter flame of an oil fired gun is NOT a good idea. The unit would operate longer to attain the steam necessary to pressurize the lines, thereby offsetting any presumed savings on methane.

*Gas seems to rise in my area commensurate with the price of oil.

*I wasn't going to invest $3 - 5000 in new equipment to get the minimal payback that I couldn't recoup quickly.

At the end of the day, it was a cost-benefit analysis. Unless someone gave me the equipment for free, I wasn't biting.

But thank you for your input.
There is NO oil or gas fired steam boiler that is operating at 96% efficiency. If any tech or company told you that yours is. They blew a lot of smoke at you. And or don't know how to use a combustion analyzer.

It is not possible to to have 90% or higher efficiency without condensing, and a burner firing hot enough to make steam can't have a cool enough exhaust to condense.

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