Carrier electrostatic air cleaner.(furnace)

jankencanada · 08-03-2010, 09:21 AM

Model #31sx114100...Five of the thin wires that provide the static field are missing.
Can I use any fine wire to replace them? Or does it have to be the "real -thing"
If the latter,where do I obtain them? Thank you. Ken

Yoyizit · 08-03-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jankencanada

Model #31sx114100...Five of the thin wires that provide the static field are missing.
Can I use any fine wire to replace them? Or does it have to be the "real -thing"
If the latter,where do I obtain them? Thank you. Ken

If Carrier wants an arm and a leg for this, try #30 AWG wire wrap wire from Radio Shack.

jankencanada · 08-03-2010, 10:35 AM

I paid $10 for 1 wire the last time thankyou. Ken

Yoyizit · 08-03-2010, 10:41 AM

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I paid $10 for 1 wire the last time thankyou. Ken

The #30 is 8 cents per foot but you may have to strip the whole length. A WW stripper costs a few bucks.

**beenthere** · 08-03-2010, 12:24 PM

If you want your electronic air cleaner to work.

You'll use OEM. If you want to just say you have an electronic air cleaner. Any wire will do. It will make for a nice conversation piece, when people ask why your house is so dusty.

Yoyizit · 08-03-2010, 12:51 PM

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If you want your electronic air cleaner to work.

You'll use OEM. If you want to just say you have an electronic air cleaner. Any wire will do. It will make for a nice conversation piece, when people ask why your house is so dusty.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/262250.html

It's only a wire carrying zero current most of the time and this is a DIY site.

And when the bulb for a short wave radio dial burned out the manuf. wanted $32 for a $0.32 bulb. The receptionist unwittingly gave me the specs for the thing so I could then get the bulb almost anywhere. She was probably fired for that mistake.

jankencanada · 08-03-2010, 03:44 PM

I'm not familier with that item. (OME) Have Googled, but nothing made sense. please explain. Ken

Yoyizit · 08-03-2010, 03:50 PM

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062640
Also try Hosfelt, allelectronics, digikey, jameco, mouser, allied.

**beenthere** · 08-03-2010, 04:07 PM

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http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/262250.html

It's only a wire carrying zero current most of the time and this is a DIY site.

And when the bulb for a short wave radio dial burned out the manuf. wanted $32 for a $0.32 bulb. The receptionist unwittingly gave me the specs for the thing so I could then get the bulb almost anywhere. She was probably fired for that mistake.

Installing an OEM part, does not make it not a DIY thing.

Yep, he can use a 32 cent wire. And then. You can buy the other parts he'll need to replace after it burns them out. From following your instructions.

If it carried zero current most of the time. It wouldn't work most of the time. And then there would be no reason to fix it.

It carries current the entire time its operating.

OP. Do how ever you want. You can pay now. Or pay more later.

jankencanada · 08-03-2010, 04:16 PM

Mine semed to be a simple question to ask.
Is the answer a" TRADE SECRET"
I still dont know what OME wire is.

Do I have to ask Yuri???

**beenthere** · 08-03-2010, 04:24 PM

OEM.

Original Equipment Manufacturer. There are thrid party vendors that make them. And You can use them, if they make the wire for you model.

Seen more then one electronic air cleaner wiped out by someone using regular wire.

Maybe Yoz hasn't worked on too many of them yet. You'll have to ask him.

Yoyizit · 08-03-2010, 06:56 PM

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It carries current the entire time its operating.

The wires don't use current if the unit uses DC voltage. The wires act like a charged capacitor.
The transformer, capacitors, etc. in the power supply will use some current all the time, and if the line voltage varies there will be some miniscule charging/discharging current, probably unmeasurable.

What failures have you seen from using non-OEM wire? Were they due to mechanical reasons?

You have links to the 3rd party wire vendors?

**beenthere** · 08-03-2010, 07:07 PM

Anytime voltage moves and does any work. Such as exchanging ions. Current is used. Weatehr AC or DC. Its still current. Or it wouldn't be call "Alternating Current, or Direct Current".

Burnt out transformers, boards.

No, don't have any links. I get my parts from whole sale supply houses. So I don't look for parts on the net.

Yoyizit · 08-03-2010, 07:15 PM

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Such as exchanging ions. Current is used. Weatehr AC or DC. Its still current.

Burnt out transformers, boards.

If the air is dirty you're sort of right. The dirt particles carry bunches of charged particles.
3rd para, below
http://www.wikipatents.com/US-Patent...al-lamp/Page-5
So I guess a picoammeter needle would show zero most of the time and have little spikes as each glob of dirt landed on the negatively charged collector plate.
On average, this is "current", sort of. . .

Sounds like the wires shorted or arced over. At these voltages adequate spacing is important and also sharp edges, wire kinks and needle points should be avoided.
http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/msr/spk/
Having the OP add a fuse wouldn't hurt.

**beenthere** · 08-03-2010, 08:11 PM

You want the OP to add a fuse to a 4.5KV circuit?

He just needs to use the wire approved for it, instead of a bandaid attempt.