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Old 12-13-2009, 07:31 PM   #1
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I have a quote for this heat pump from my HVAC company. They are replacing my LP furnace & AC with this unit and are quoting $12,000 for outdoor unit, air handler, thermostat & hi efficiency filter including install. I've spoken to a couple of other HVAC guys who indicated that was a bit high. Any advice from the masses?

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are quoting $12,000
HVAC guys who indicated that was a bit high.
Any advice from the masses?
Get more bids, enough so they cluster

...a....bcd..e....f
0.....|.....|.....|.....
relative price..$

In the example, a & f are outliers and the true cost for doing the job in your ZIPcode, today, is probably c or d.

In my area, to get just 5 bids on a plumbing job I had to call 17 plumbers.

For HVAC in general, I pulled some prices [in kilobucks] off the Internet. Here they are

2.7
3.8
4.2
5.3
7.5
8.4
10
10
10
12
12
13
29
39

Avg. is 12 but the median is 10. The 39 pulled the avg. price up.


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Does it include extended warranties for part and labor.

How much duct work alteration.

Get other estimates.
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one of the AC guys I had in says that my duct work won't handle 4 tons of AC. The trunk is 10x22 inches. Is that correct? He's also telling me that a 60k btu furnace won't support a 4 ton AC unit because the blower can't move that much air.

I also have several telling me that I'm crazy to put in a heat pump only system and others that are saying a hybrid with LP & heat pump doesn't make sense. I know that everyone has their opinions and preferences but this is driving me nuts. Any input from someone that knows more than me?
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10X22 is light for 4 tons.

Hard pressed to find a 60,000 BTU furnace with a 4 ton blower.
Not unusual to use an oversized furnace to get the proper sized blower.
2 stage 80,000 BTU furnaces are available with 4 ton blowers.

What is your electric rate, and LP rate, all fees included.
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Unless you're in an area that doesn't freeze you need a back up heat source in case the heat pump breaks down. Defrost cycle is also going to be cold without a secondary heat source.
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Elec rate is $.145 per Kwh, Propane around $3.00 I do have a program with my elec co. that cuts the rate to $.075 per Kwh after I use 600 Kwh when I register with them as having a heat pump.
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With your discounted electric rate.
A heat pump with electric aux heat is cheaper then having LP as your aux heat. BY A LOT.

So I wouldn't go dual fuel. Unless you think your electric company is going to drop that discount rate in the near future. With in 5 or 7 years say.
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their input on this. I had the AM Std Heritage 15 Heat Pump with Var Spd air handler installed yesterday and it is working very well. It was running this evening without the back up electric heat and I felt a pleasing warmth out of the registers. Not as hot as I had with propane but not the cool air I remember from the heat pump I had 15 years ago.

Just one question I forgot to ask the installer: When I set the thermostat to the fan "On" setting, will the air handler automatically run on the lowest speed and how can I confirm that it is? It's very quiet anyway so I want to be sure I'm not wasting elec by it running too high.

Thanks again.
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It will run at 50% of its set high cooling speed.

Go to a register while it is running for heat. Hold a tissue over the register. See how high you can raise it, before it stop moving.

Then after heat cycle is over. Turn fan on , and redo test. Should see tissue stop moving at a lower height.

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