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Old 05-26-2009, 07:09 AM   #16
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I told you it wouldn't work. Refering to the way you had it piped in.
Remember, you couldn't get water to flow through it right.
You were trying to make it work the way you had it piped.

Are you serious? EXACTLY, I was attempting it that way because nobody would tell me HOW to do it right, only telling me I was wrong. My point exactly, thanks


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And it stil hasn't been through a winter, to see if you have it right yet.
Actually it has, for about 2.5 months. That was late Feb when it was installed. I have used my heat in the house up until about 2 or 3 weeks ago.

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Look at the first pic. See how its on blocks.
If those blocks, are enough to raise the furnace that the bottom of the blower motor is 18" above the floor. That will pass code.


Thats all thats needed. Is to have the bottom of the blower motor 18" above the floor.
And the blocks in that pic have nothing to do with trying to level out the floor to sit level? That is what it looks like to me. And BTW, how do you know what the bottom of the furnace in my install looks like? You cant see it in the pic I posted..

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Just because your neighbors or anybody elses isn't installed right.
Doesn't mean its ok to install another one improperly.
Roger that...

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Old 05-26-2009, 11:26 AM   #17
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You had your radiant installed before you posted anything questions about it.

And pretty much all of your questions where answered, about doing it the way you were trying.

Including where to install purge valves.

Weather they used the blocks to level the unit. And also unintentionally also raised the furnace to meet code unknowingly, doesn't matter.
I said thats all that is needed.
You wanted a pic of how one raised would lokk. And you already had a pic posted.

Your PVC shelving to the left of your furnace. With the top of the furnace air filter showing, indicates that the furnace is not raised off the floor enough for the blower motor to be 18" above the floor.

And since you haven't posted that it is raised. Its not.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:24 PM   #18
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Screw this a-hole Been. He dose this crap on other sites too under different screen names, but the attitude comes thru loud and clear so you know it's the same guy looking for kicks.
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Old 05-26-2009, 10:06 PM   #19
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Screw this a-hole Been. He dose this crap on other sites too under different screen names, but the attitude comes thru loud and clear so you know it's the same guy looking for kicks.
seriously? I would love to know what forums and screen names you are talking about.

I am not even going to get into wasting my time reply to each comment. I know some how think I am the "same guy" as apparently other people who have an "attitude"... Did you ever think that maybe the attitude is a "holier than thou" attitude from the people in the field that piss people who are trying to do something themselves, pushing multiple people to get an "attitude"? I have learned enough on this site that no DIY'er is able to perform HVAC of any kind. Apparently doing HVAC work is as delicate and precise a task as open heart surgery or brain surgery.

So you are right... I am the same guy across the internet. I have time to do projects (and apparently do them wrong) find a site made for people doing it themselvs and then post questions and pics about it just to start a fight... right... you nailed it.

Thanks for all the help, you guys are the best, I couldnt do it without you.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:50 AM   #20
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seriously? I would love to know what forums and screen names you are talking about.

I am not even going to get into wasting my time reply to each comment. I know some how think I am the "same guy" as apparently other people who have an "attitude"... Did you ever think that maybe the attitude is a "holier than thou" attitude from the people in the field that piss people who are trying to do something themselves, pushing multiple people to get an "attitude"? I have learned enough on this site that no DIY'er is able to perform HVAC of any kind. Apparently doing HVAC work is as delicate and precise a task as open heart surgery or brain surgery.

So you are right... I am the same guy across the internet. I have time to do projects (and apparently do them wrong) find a site made for people doing it themselvs and then post questions and pics about it just to start a fight... right... you nailed it.

Thanks for all the help, you guys are the best, I couldnt do it without you.
Yeah, you keep that install the way it is. You can be real proud of that abortion.

For every guy like you there is also one of me to balance the BS your type spews.

Beenthere caught you dead to rights and you come back here whining over the part you never mentioned.

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Old 05-27-2009, 08:44 AM   #21
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Yeah, you keep that install the way it is. You can be real proud of that abortion.
I will.... Sorry for not hiring someone in your profession to come install an AC unit in small building that will be used until I complete my new garage. Right or wrong my garage was 85* all winter and has been at 65 since install of AC... again this is in my GARAGE... not my home... I dont live in my GARAGE... I "play" it it doing things like to do. Is your garage climate controlled?

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For every guy like you there is also one of me to balance the BS your type spews.
You are 100% right and I thank Al Gore every morning when I wake up for inventing the internet... A place people can be big bad know-it-alls in whatever field they chose. The site owners may want to reconsider having an HVAC section on a DIY forum. Again, you guys have proved that it obviously is NOT a DIY task.

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Beenthere caught you dead to rights and you come back here whining over the part you never mentioned.
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Im sorry, what did he "catch me at"?
I wasnt going to even say a word, but recognizing the name from a past project, it pissed me off that after installing myself, the only comment made was about the height of the install, not even a simple "nice job... but blah blah blah.. about the code"... no just a sarcastic remark. That is what pissed me off.
What is almost more amazing to me is the few PM's from people I received over the past 2 days tipping their hat and complementing me for "sticking up" to you guys. It just proves my point (to me) even more.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:05 AM   #22
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I will.... Sorry for not hiring someone in your profession to come install an AC unit in small building that will be used until I complete my new garage. Right or wrong my garage was 85* all winter and has been at 65 since install of AC... again this is in my GARAGE... not my home... I dont live in my GARAGE... I "play" it it doing things like to do. Is your garage climate controlled?

You are 100% right and I thank Al Gore every morning when I wake up for inventing the internet... A place people can be big bad know-it-alls in whatever field they chose. The site owners may want to reconsider having an HVAC section on a DIY forum. Again, you guys have proved that it obviously is NOT a DIY task.

Im sorry, what did he "catch me at"?
I wasnt going to even say a word, but recognizing the name from a past project, it pissed me off that after installing myself, the only comment made was about the height of the install, not even a simple "nice job... but blah blah blah.. about the code"... no just a sarcastic remark. That is what pissed me off.
What is almost more amazing to me is the few PM's from people I received over the past 2 days tipping their hat and complementing me for "sticking up" to you guys. It just proves my point (to me) even more.

I don't even have a dog in this race. So There could not have been anybody to 'stick up for you" from me.

You started this thread to bait the pros. I came in at the last post.

You may think the job you did is ok and it may appear so to the DIY guy,

but alot of the Pros have PMed me to voice their consensus and it is that you may have a tidy looking buch of equipment but it violates a whole bunch of safety code.
And all the support you are getting is from the DIYs; the smart ones I associate with think your job is nothing but a polished turd.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:14 AM   #23
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You got angry because I told you of a code violation.
The guys patting you on the back. Don't care if its installed right or wrong.

I didn't ding you on little BS items.

Any install can be picked apart.

I just pointed out the code violation. Not anything else that I could have nit picked about.

If I installed a furnace or air handler in a garage that way.
The inspecter would make me raise it.

You either don't have inspections where you are.
Or are not having it inspected.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:45 AM   #24
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I don't even have a dog in this race.
right, your dog showed up and is running around the outside of the track barking at the dog running. So if your dog stops by the winner circle... did he win?
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:57 AM   #25
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You got angry because I told you of a code violation.
The guys patting you on the back. Don't care if its installed right or wrong.

I didn't ding you on little BS items.

Any install can be picked apart.

I just pointed out the code violation. Not anything else that I could have nit picked about.

If I installed a furnace or air handler in a garage that way.
The inspecter would make me raise it.

You either don't have inspections where you are.
Or are not having it inspected.
No, I appreciate the heads up on any violations, what I dont like about the HVAC section of this site is that it seems as if people make it out like a DIY'er cant do anything. A simple, "not bad for a DIY'er, but x x and x could be done this way" Not just a cocky reply of "code violation".
I dont think it is installed 100%, because again, I dont do it for a living, I was doing it myself... hence seeking a DIY site such as this. Like you said, every install could be picked apart.
I do have inspectors, but again, because this is a temp install until I build the new garage, I did not have it inspected. Every winter I put up temp fence at my christmas tree lots... I dont have them inspected as it is temparary. Just as I view this "polished turd" or "abortion" as the dog running around outside called it.

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I can't tell from the pics.. Is the return air also taken from the garage ??
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I can't tell from the pics.. Is the return air also taken from the garage ??
yes, as they pointed out, I just have a filter over the return opening and no ducting. I did not know the best way to duct a single story, single room space... filter against the side was my "solution". I guess you can call that the coat hanger used in the abortion..
i asked the pro's here what would be suggested, but they chose to egging me on rather than answer that question.

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The one thing I am unsure of is the return ducting. It is in a single story 21x16 garage. For heat all winter, it worked like a champ with the return the way it is. So far, the AC has worked great this way as well. I have plans for ducting in the building it will be going into latter as it will have a 2nd story.
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right, your dog showed up and is running around the outside of the track barking at the dog running. So if your dog stops by the winner circle... did he win?
like i said, i don't have a stake in your install. But i will pay attention and respond when you start dumping on this industry and lying that you can't get any credible advice here.

And then on top of it you bad mouth pros because YOU left out an important fact that changed the dynamic of the thread completely.

Just like when you never even mentioned upfront that you were converting the garage into your own personal play room.
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No, I appreciate the heads up on any violations, what I dont like about the HVAC section of this site is that it seems as if people make it out like a DIY'er cant do anything. A simple, "not bad for a DIY'er, but x x and x could be done this way" Not just a cocky reply of "code violation".
I dont think it is installed 100%, because again, I dont do it for a living, I was doing it myself... hence seeking a DIY site such as this. Like you said, every install could be picked apart.
I do have inspectors, but again, because this is a temp install until I build the new garage, I did not have it inspected. Every winter I put up temp fence at my christmas tree lots... I dont have them inspected as it is temparary. Just as I view this "polished turd" or "abortion" as the dog running around outside called it.

Does not matter if it's temp or not. No permit and inspection:you broke the law and endangered life, limb and property.

That makes you a law breaker. In my state that's a minor to major felony.

looks like you run the pvc thru the roof and out a wall... if so that's two diff press zones.
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Yep.

I pointed out the code violation.

As I said, I didn't bother nit picking anything else.

A temp furnace can start a fire just as easy as a permanant install.
So its not a good excude not to have it inspected.

Since you never stated what its used for, there is no best way to run the return in your garage.

I don't give myself atta boys.

So I ain't giving you any either from one pic.

If someone wants an atta boy.

They need to post more then one pic.

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