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Old 05-15-2011, 12:26 AM   #1
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Our flower carpet roses will not grow to their desired height because
they are close to a tree in the same landscaping area. We purchased
Knockout roses last year and they were placed in our backyard where
it's very hot in the summer and they seemed to survive very nicely and
look very healthy and strong. Would it be a good idea to dig out and
relocate the carpet roses to a new area next to our home before they
die completely so they can grow how they are supposed to and not
struggle so much in the location that they are in? We were thinking
of placing the Knockout roses where the flower carpet roses were.

Let me know, thanks.

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If the Flower Carpet Roses are struggling, the Knockouts won't do any better. You do realize that the Flower Carpet Rose is considered a groundcover Rose?

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As we say down here in the south, "Bless your heart!" You will not get anything to grow under the trees satisfactorily. I will try to make some pics and post them to show exactly how much of a fight you have there.
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here is how they looked after winter and now at Spring.

https://picasaweb.google.com/pewauke...2Nj_z_zqXMqAE#
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Here is the difference being under trees makes for roses- and others also.
All were planted three years ago, at the same time, the same size (3 gal).
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Here is the difference being under trees makes for roses- and others also.
All were planted three years ago, at the same time, the same size (3 gal).
Wow are those flower carpet roses like mine?

What other type of plant should I place there because it's a space that would have about 7 ft long by 2 ft wide space uncovered?
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Wow are those flower carpet roses like mine?

What other type of plant should I place there because it's a space that would have about 7 ft long by 2 ft wide space uncovered?
Is it truly 'under' the tree? What kind of tree (it matters)? Full shade? Morning/afternoon sun?
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Is it truly 'under' the tree? What kind of tree (it matters)? Full shade? Morning/afternoon sun?
They are 3-5 feet away from a tree. We even have hostas that won't grow properly there.
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The tree is right in the back. Roses are in the middle of the landscaping.Do you think I should remove the plants in the middle and just make 2 rings with the pavers I have there? 1 around the tree and 1 around the lightpole and then plant new grass in the middle? We cannot grow anything there anyway....Let me know, thanks.
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I wouldn't change anything about the hardscaping until you get your soil tested. Something's going on there if both the roses and hostas are unhappy. Go to your local GARDEN CENTER (not lowes or home depot) and get a soil test kit - one that you send away.

You should move the roses no matter what. That tree will get big enough to shade them out.
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I wouldn't change anything about the hardscaping until you get your soil tested. Something's going on there if both the roses and hostas are unhappy. Go to your local GARDEN CENTER (not lowes or home depot) and get a soil test kit - one that you send away.

You should move the roses no matter what. That tree will get big enough to shade them out.

How hard would it be seed some grass in that area? I was thinking of leaving a circle around the lightpole and around the tree and to place grass seed in the middle. What do you think?
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Grass is hard to grow under trees both b/c of shade and many trees have lots of tiny roots in the upper strata of topsoil that pull too much moisture for grass.

If your heart is set on grass try it, use a shade mix of perennial grasses. Be ready to water.

Me, I'd pop some hostas where the roses were and be done with it. But I like hostas.
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Grass is hard to grow under trees both b/c of shade and many trees have lots of tiny roots in the upper strata of topsoil that pull too much moisture for grass.

If your heart is set on grass try it, use a shade mix of perennial grasses. Be ready to water.

Me, I'd pop some hostas where the roses were and be done with it. But I like hostas.
So leave the landscaping as is? If I put knockout roses there do you think they will also suffer? We have Knockouts in our backyard where during the summer it's very hot and they grew like mad!
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Do Hostas have flowers? Do they grow in Phoenix?
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So leave the landscaping as is? If I put knockout roses there do you think they will also suffer? We have Knockouts in our backyard where during the summer it's very hot and they grew like mad!
The knockouts will probably suffer too. Sorry.

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