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Old 01-03-2010, 02:55 AM   #16
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Yes, sanatizing the soil to get rid of existing weeds and grass is of paramount importance - else you are just going to see the weeds and grass again in the not too distant future. Mother Nature is persistant, if nothing else. Roundup is the way I would go - I have used others and cheaper over the years which have wasted my time and money - Roundup works. Mix it strong and apply liberally, wait a week to two weeks, spray again if not all is dead. Wait a few more days. Now use a rototiller to till and chop up the weeds and grass remnents. I would probably wait a week and hit it again with the Roundup.

Now is the time to install or fix sprinklers, grade as needed (strive for about 1" below sidewalks and driveways, etc.), and other mechanical prep work.

Following the installation recommendations and watering instructions of the sod provider. The sod provider will know the product, area, etc. the best.

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Old 01-03-2010, 06:04 PM   #17
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Considering the time from the OP, I'm thinking that this should have been a new thread. But in the interest of sharing information- lawsmigame, are you doing this work now? Where are you? I'm just not seeing starting a new lawn now.
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I plan to do something very similar to the original poster - laying new sod..

However I have 2 zones in my front yard. One is lawn and the other is plants area. I am going remove the whole lawn since it is infested with lot of weeds. But on the 2nd part, I do have some good rose plants but that area is also infested with weeds. If I spray Roundup on the plants area, I will be killing my rose plants also, right..

Is there way I can only kill weeds but not rose plants ?
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Spray as reasonably close to your roses as you can, then finish the old fashioned way- by hand!
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You can also wrap your rose bushes in plastic to make sure the over spray doesn't get on them. But remove the plastic immediately after spraying.

It may not be necessary for you to kill off your entire lawn because of the weeds. Unless there is almost no grass anyway.

There are weed killers available that are safe to spray on your lawn. They kill the weeds, but not the grass. If you go this route, still cover your rose bushes and any other plants you want to keep.
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You can also wrap your rose bushes in plastic to make sure the over spray doesn't get on them. But remove the plastic immediately after spraying.

It may not be necessary for you to kill off your entire lawn because of the weeds. Unless there is almost no grass anyway.

There are weed killers available that are safe to spray on your lawn. They kill the weeds, but not the grass. If you go this route, still cover your rose bushes and any other plants you want to keep.
There is grass but also has lot of dry spots. At the same time it is infested with lot of weeds also. thatswhy I want to remove both grass and weeds together.
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You might want to consider hydromulching your new lawn. It will be less expensive than sod, will establish more quickly and in my opinion will be healthier in the long run.

Roundup should do the trick if you want to kill everything. It will not get rid of any weed seeds though so you will need herbicides for that situation. You will be amazed at what setting your mower a little higher and regular feeding will do when it comes to weed control. An application or two of a weed and feed sort of product will help too.
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Hi Thurman. Is there anything that can be added to the tank with the Round Up and water that will show where the Round Up has been sprayed?

It's so easy to miss a few spots. Especially if it's a hot day and the leaves don't stay wet very long.

http://www.treehelp.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=LG-1130

search for herbicide dye, colorant for more options. Just be sure to get something water soluble.
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Roundup should do the trick if you want to kill everything. It will not get rid of any weed seeds though so you will need herbicides for that situation.
Roundup IS a herbicide. A pre-emergent will address the weed seeds, but will prevent grass seeds as well from growing. PS- It will also seriously effect new root developement on sod as well.
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Roundup IS a herbicide. A pre-emergent will address the weed seeds, but will prevent grass seeds as well from growing. PS- It will also seriously effect new root developement on sod as well.
True enough and yes a pre-emergent will keep grass seeds from growing. A pre-emergent will not effect existing sod from growing though.

I still think that you will find raising the mower to clip at 2", watering in the morning, and applying a broadleaf weed killing herbicide and one for crabgrass on a scheduled basis might solve your problem. When I was in the turfgrass industry feeding a laen 1 pound of nitrogen per 1000 square feet per month was recommended but I suspect that is viewed extreme these days?

You know, grabbing some samples from the bare spots and spending $40 with a soil lab might save you a lot of long term anguish too? All the sod, fertilizer, hydromulching in the World is not going to fix soil that is wacked. A soil lab will be able to tell you what to add to balance things. The good news is that the additives should be inexpensive minerals needed just to bring the PH back in range.
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True enough and yes a pre-emergent will keep grass seeds from growing. A pre-emergent will not effect existing sod from growing though.

I still think that you will find raising the mower to clip at 2", watering in the morning, and applying a broadleaf weed killing herbicide and one for crabgrass on a scheduled basis might solve your problem. When I was in the turfgrass industry feeding a laen 1 pound of nitrogen per 1000 square feet per month was recommended but I suspect that is viewed extreme these days?

You know, grabbing some samples from the bare spots and spending $40 with a soil lab might save you a lot of long term anguish too? All the sod, fertilizer, hydromulching in the World is not going to fix soil that is wacked. A soil lab will be able to tell you what to add to balance things. The good news is that the additives should be inexpensive minerals needed just to bring the PH back in range.
Thank you for all your suggestions.. Based on the discussion, I guess following can be applied to my situation.

1. Apply Roundup for all the lawn part to kiil the grass as well as weeds
2. Apply Roundup carefully in the plant area only to kill Weeds but not the plants
3. After a week or so, once I ensure that everything is cleaned out, Rototill the lawn area. Rake the wholearea to takeout weeds, grass and rocks, if any.
4. Apply starter fertilizer or whatever is recommended either by Sod manufacturer or based on the soil testing.. Rototill again to ensure the added componets are mixed with existing soil properly..
5. Apply sod or do hydro mulching.. (I still have to figure it out what exactly Hydromulching means)


I have one question: When I rototill what happens if I accidently hit a PVC irrigation pipe line ? I believe there is some underground pipeline which is not functioning..
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Thank you for all your suggestions.. Based on the discussion, I guess following can be applied to my situation.
(I still have to figure it out what exactly Hydromulching means)


I have one question: When I rototill what happens if I accidently hit a PVC irrigation pipe line ? I believe there is some underground pipeline which is not functioning..
If you accidentally hit a PVC pipe with a rototiller you will more than likely at least nick a nasty leak in it. You remind me that before you dig deeply into anything you should call your local utitility locating service to flag everything for you. Such is offered free in most communities. They will come out and flag gas, cable, water, etc. lines so you know how to proceed.

Are you sure the PVC line is deactivated and not an active water line for something?

Hydromulching/hydroseeding is a process where a seed mix (of your choice if you have a good pro around), fertilizer and a mulch/crust material is all mixed into kind of a gloppy slurry. It is then sprayed on to the ground and the process is nice because it will stick to any grade changes or contours you might have. Look on line for pictures and search for providers in your area. Seeds will germinate in record time.

I haven't priced the service in a while since I do not need many lawns anymore but it is a fraction of the cost of sod and you will have an established lawn faster. Look up hydroseeding and you will get a list of contractors in your area.

http://www.hydroseedingexperts.com/

Nothing wrong with the old fashioned way of seeding a lawn either. Just buy a few extra pounds to feed the birds and lots of mulch. It just takes some effort and hydromulching/hydroseeding will be cheaper in the long run. In my opinion. Hydromulching beats sodding every time unless you must have absolute immediate gratification. Be prepared to spend a fortune on water establishing a sod lawn though.

Obviously soil prep, rototilling, etc. has to happen with whatever you do first but you are obviously on to this concept. Where are you? You do not want to be forcing sod to take, hydroseeding or whatever if it is so cold the plant material will be scared?

You wlll love the concept and be the envy of your friends with the hydroseeding concept.

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Local utilities are not responsible for lawn water/watering pipes & will not mark them around here

As Sdester said you should ALWAYS call to have utilities marked before digging
Even in the backyard, some utilities run thru the yard to houses on the next street
Not usual, but it does happen

Mysef I will not use anything like roundup where I want anything to grow
I tend to shy away from most chemicals with a stream on the property
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Local utilities are not responsible for lawn water/watering pipes & will not mark them around here

As Sdester said you should ALWAYS call to have utilities marked before digging
Even in the backyard, some utilities run thru the yard to houses on the next street
Not usual, but it does happen

Mysef I will not use anything like roundup where I want anything to grow
I tend to shy away from most chemicals with a stream on the property
If you don't use Roundup for killing weed, grass etc.. how do you do ? Do you have any other alternatives ?
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Are you sure the PVC line is deactivated and not an active water line for something?
PVC lines are most probablay previously establisher irrigation lines and no longer functioning.. I need to take these all out and relay new piples.. and new sprinklers..

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