Pavers over concrete patio?

so-elitecrete

specifically made for leveling conc applied to the top of existing conc & we use them almost daily,,, your conc contr's develop'd a method that works for him,,, in my area of nj, hackettstown, it wouldn't work.

skim coating conc is an accepted method of repairing, permanently, conc & does have higher comp, flexural, & tension strengths,,, but if it works for you, fine,,, its just not an accepted method in pro circles,,, then again, its only your house.

we've placed MILES of conc w/o rebar &/or mesh,,, the most important thing in preventing cracks is the joint pattern & timing when the control jnt's cut,,, realize this is zen conc & your guy's good,,, but conc IS a specialty & that's why its important to use someone w/experience, knowledge, & desire.


the reason yours looks good is that its flexible on a flexible base,,, much different'n regular conc work.

so-elitecrete

hadn't realiz'd this was the woman who want'd to place conc pavers on a sidewalk or wouldn't have wast'd my time,,, y'all're much more knowledgeable than we who do this work professionally,,, its not about taking food from our plates - its doing something right if done at all.

shan't make this mistake again.

concretemasonry

tkristi -

If you want to use those type of pavers, start by tearing out the old concrete and replacing it with 4-6" of compacted base. Add 1" of a sand (concrete sand) setting bed. Place the pavers and the edge restraint. Then spread fine sand on top and vibrate with a plate vibrator.

timber

I just left a message to tkristi who was doing basically the same thing on a walk letting her know how to do it. Take a look, it's a good method I've been doing for years.

wormser

Jimbo,
Just give it a try. As long as you don't secure the pavers there isn't much risk. Worst case you'll lose an hour or two of labor. Pavers are practically indestructable so they won't break.

GreenContractor

if the concrete is in good shape, meaning has been there for atleast a few years and has no settling or cracks you could wet set some bluestone or marble. Concrete pavers? that would be trouble down the road. Is the patio below the grade? If you want the pavers to last a lifetime and not just a few years rip out the concrete and install correctly. Unilock and Paveloc make quality products, the HD concrete paver will fade within a few years. You will see the difference in quality when the HD paver lasts a few years and pavloc paver lasts a lifetime.

PAVER MASTER

First you dont need to take the concrete, just if a door will not open, level with half inch of send and glue the edge after you cut for the border is faster this way.
You can use thin paver.

any more question let me know.


Paver Master

sonjamorton

The way to do this is to drill holes in the concrete ever few feet, then lay landscaping cloth over the concrete, next put paving sand over the cloth then lay your pavers. This infor came from Kurtz Bros Inc, ask for Josh and tell him what you want to do and he will tell you what I just said. 216-581-5533. I'm doing the same job myself.

concretemasonry

There are many ways to put in a paver patio over concrete if you interested in going through all the work. Most of the techniques were developed in Europe where the use of pavers is far more advanced and developed than in the U.S. A patio is just a minor use, so some deveiations can be allowed since it is not like a street or driveway.

The important thing is to get the water out of the setting bed. Drilling enough holes that will not be clogged by dirty bedding sand is one method is is lateral drains. In some areas, the concrete is cored and vertical sand drains are used, but in these cases, the base muct be permeable and capable of draining the water away. You don't want the pavers to "float" on a saturated bed.

With a patio, you can get away with things that would not work where you have real loads.

tveal

Thin pavers (1") are specifically for remodeling any area (foot traffic only) that has a concrete surface. There is no need to pull out the concrete.
Set the pavers on sand and thinset the border in.

DangerMouse

how about a long-lasting paving stone look on that concrete without all the work?

http://www.daichcoatings.com/Design%...ject12_jpg.htm

gotta love this stuff

DM

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technopak

Jimbo just did it...just lay the pavers over the concrete.. and cement the border strips works fine. and looks great standard pavers. Its common.. cement gives a great flat base.... tehnopak

drdon51

I done my patio last year,I used pl 4000 glue on the outside pavers,it looks great and its a lot easier.

blueberry14

While laying pavers over concrete is not the preferred method, it can be done. Check EP Henry Paver's FAQ's section for more specifications <http://www.ephenry.com/HomeOwner/FAQs.asp#19>

JOSHUAGULLEY

I'm planning to do the same thing except I will be extending my patio from 12x12 to 16x16. The paver that i will use is 1 7/8 inches in height. I will put morter on each paver and fill in with setting sand once I'm finished. Dont forget to slope your patio for water drainage. Your concrete patio should already be sloped.
My problem comes from me adding 4ft on each side. Should i pour a concrete slab for the addition or build it up with sand and gravel?