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diyntn 04-08-2009 09:59 PM

Molds or pavers
 
I have an area, about 12 x 18 or 20 ft I want to make a patio area out of and then a small walkway off of that.
I have used a mold and concrete before for making a walkway and it looked fantastic. I have also used pavers to make a nice sidewalk. Honestly, the molded concrete one looked better I thought.
But, I've never used anything to make a large solid area like a patio.
What are you guy's thoughts on the differences of the two?
Cost, work, longevity, easy to add onto or change, etc.
Thanks!

Scuba_Dave 04-08-2009 10:05 PM

Easy to change - pavers
I buy the thicker ones, not the cheapie Lowes & HD thin junk

I've mixed lots of concrete - don't like doing it :no:

Bob Mariani 04-09-2009 04:37 AM

A patio concrete pour is not really a DIY project. Even most residential "pros" rarely get it right. Pavers can be done by yourself.

diyntn 04-09-2009 06:16 AM

I was talking about this kind of mold.
http://images.lowes.com/general/c/co...ds_walkway.jpg

Bob Mariani 04-09-2009 06:39 AM

Pavers are dried in near perfect conditions with heat and moisture controlled. Without a concrete vibrator, a cement mixer and under perfect climates you will not get a workable product. Read more on these things. I still would recommend not trying to make these yourself. 1) you will save no money, possibly more 2) results will not be near a purchased product.

jomama45 04-09-2009 10:26 AM

I think for the sidewalk, the mold would be fine, if that's your preference. If you live in a cold climate though, with a lot of frost cycles, I dont think Quikcrete or the like will cut it long term. The DIY concrete doesn't have any air entrainment, which is crucial to it lasting in a cold climate. Maybe it's not an issue in your region.
For the patio, I would reccomend any kind of paver over the mods. Way too much area to do that process, meaning way more work & money than any other option. I dont think you would like setting a table & chairs over the stone molds either.

diyntn 04-09-2009 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jomama45 (Post 257315)
I think for the sidewalk, the mold would be fine, if that's your preference. If you live in a cold climate though, with a lot of frost cycles, I dont think Quikcrete or the like will cut it long term. The DIY concrete doesn't have any air entrainment, which is crucial to it lasting in a cold climate. Maybe it's not an issue in your region.
For the patio, I would reccomend any kind of paver over the mods. Way too much area to do that process, meaning way more work & money than any other option. I dont think you would like setting a table & chairs over the stone molds either.

This is the direction I think I'll go, basically combining the two methods.
Pavers for the patio and the sidewalk with quickrete in molds. I have never dyed the quickrete, so I might try that to match the paver colors.
This, I've decided, LOL, will be an ongoing project.
I am going to have some sort of lean to cover, something simple, tin maybe. I need to attach that to a ledger board underneath my existing roofline first and set those posts for that whole area, then build the patio/sidewalk around it. This is all on the backside of our brick home.
I think I must be going for a New Orleans/Caribbean look or something..:).
I'd like to find some cheap ornamental poles/posts for the cover. It's only about 15-20 ft long...I want to have a table and chairs underneath it.

jomama45 04-09-2009 11:42 AM

Might I suggest you look into waterbourne or acid concrete stains that you apply to grey concrete after it's cured? The waterbourne is probably a better option for a DIY'er as it's safer & easier to get. You make 4 or 5 colors/variations & choose stones randomly to color.

diyntn 04-09-2009 12:12 PM

Excellent! I'll look into that.

diyntn 04-09-2009 05:20 PM

:eek: MY THREAD GOT SPAMMED!
LOL

diyntn 04-09-2009 09:15 PM

I'm sort of rethinking this from a financial basis mostly, but also from a design perspective.
I'm considering basically making this a peagravel bed with some sitting/work areas that are made of either flagstones or nicer pavers.
The nicer looking designed pavers are really pricey, too much than I want to put in a 300 sq ft area (and buy a teenage daughter a car this summer:whistling2:).
But, pea gravel is pretty cheap and functional to fill in the areas I won't really need the pricey pavers in.
I'm sure there are some pictures out there of something like this.

Kap 04-10-2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diyntn (Post 257230)
I was talking about this kind of mold.
http://images.lowes.com/general/c/co...ds_walkway.jpg


I have that one. I love it.

diyntn 04-14-2009 06:12 AM

I have contacted a guy who is coming to give me a bid on pouring a concrete patio and scoring it to look like tile. The cost of the concrete poured is about what pavers would cost me. My only cost difference would be the finished/scoring. BUT, I build websites as a sidejob and this finisher is interested in doing a work trade: he finishes my job and I build and maintain his website for his business.
Also, as luck would have it, my brother has decided to upgrade his outdoor spa and is giving his to me! It's 9 years old. 4 seater. But, the heating element went out in it. It shouldn't be that hard to change a heating element. We might get a new one someday, but for now, I'd be foolish to not try a free one first. This will be on a separate 10x10 pad that'll have a walkway to the patio. And I'll build a simple pergola over the spa to hang plants, robes/towels on.
My only hesitation is this patio will be poured over some utilities to the house. The underground electric mainline, and the outside water faucet. Should something ever happen, I'll need to rip part of the patio up to get to those pipes.
I can see this all unfold in my head, hope it goes as well as my head sees it. :)
As this job starts, I'll post pix here.

healeypd 05-14-2009 01:33 PM

Any feedback on how the mold worked out? I'm starting a project working with the european block mold and any info you can provide would be very helpful.

Thanks-

concretemasonry 05-14-2009 05:03 PM

You will never know until it has gone through a number of seasons.

You can get away with a lot on a sidewalk around the house or patio that you could not use on a driveway or street.

Dick


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