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Old 06-16-2011, 10:36 PM   #16
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I would opt for a sugar maple if you want a strong tree. Typically maples aren't much stronger than pine but the sugar maple is an exception it's stronger than oak. If you want a fast grower, it's hard to beat a weeping willow. A corkscrew willow is very interesting in winter with it's bold golden branches all twisted and twirled (you can't notice it much in summer) and will grow over 5' a year. But, fast growers are weak trees so it's susceptible to snow/ice and breaking branches. I don't recommend Birch, they get massacred by caterpillars and the birch borer and aren't that especially strong. There aren't that many walnut trees around here, I can't comment on them.
Oaks are great trees, depending on your soil type. Some oaks can grow fairly quickly, such as pin oak.

Norway maples are fast growers, but are likely invasive in your area. If your going with a maple, getting something like a Autum Blaze Maple would be an excellent choice. You get the speed of growth of a Silver maple, but the stronger wood of a red maple.

A weeping will grows quickly, but requires a lot of moisture to do so. If your area is dry, be prepared to soak the entire root zone on a frequent basis for optional growth. If done properly, you can easily have a 15' x 15' tree in under 2 years from a small stick.

If your thinking about a willow, consider a hybrid willow. I just purchased one from Advanced Tree in IN. It came bare root UPS last week on a day that it was 93. I planted it that same day. 10 days later, it has fully leafed out (with small leaves). I've quite happy with it, and am looking forward to watching it grow. Check out online tree places before you buy, there is a place that sells "fast growing trees" but I've not heard good things about them. I've only heard good things about Advanced Tree, and can only add to that with my experience. I'll add a photo below from yesterday, 9 days post planting. They grow quickly, but are easily trained into a upright form, so they look more like a regular tree.

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A curly willow would also grow well in your area. I have a very large curly willow, which was from a tree in IN. They will do better in your area than here in WI. I've found the curly does throw small branches, but it has some good strength, it's still together 50 years after planting and is around 50' to 70' tall.

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Old 06-16-2011, 10:41 PM   #17
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thanks for all the info on the oaks. i actually hadn't thought about all of that or known all of that info. as for the willows i hate willows and we get pretty rough winters here sometime and i don't think they would do well. plus in the summer it is kinda dry at times and have heard horror stories of the willow roots doing all sorts of foundation,drain and septic damage. i will consider the sugar maple...thanks
They will do just fine in your winters.

A sound foundation will not be bothered by tree roots. If it is, you have bigger problems and need professional assistance for your foundation.

They can cause problems with septic so keep them planted well away from there if you do get any type of willow.

Water will be needed when it is dry, until the tree is older.

Sounds like a maple would be more up your ally. A hybrid is going to be faster than sugar and should be nearly as or as strong.
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i am on roughly 2 acres of land in a rural area so i only have a small area of sidewalks and driveway the rest is mostly just grass. i do not plan on planting anything too close to my home for obvious reasons. i have been looking into some fruit tress as my fiancee like to make jams and such. mostly looking for a few quick growing trees to get some shade because right now we have none until the sun goes down. i am planning on planting some stronger trees such as the hickory or possibly even a buckeye tree for stronger longer living trees but really just need something right now that will offer quick shade until those other stronger larger trees will grow to maturity. i am not sure if we have an arborist place around here but i will definatly be looking into that. i appreciate all input it is helping me think of other trees and ideas.
I understand your long term goal is to get some quality long lived trees on the property. A Red, sugar, or hybrid maple would fit in well.

If your really looking for quick shade, the very quickest things are going to be willow and poplar. You could use these as a temporary planting for 5-10 years until your other trees are more established.

Poplar roots as not quite as aggressive as willow and don't like quite as much water, but they grow really fast, expect to see 10 feet or more of growth per year in a good enviroment.

I'm not trying to talk you into these trees, but you are asking about having quick growing trees for shade. Most of the problems with branches breaking and such in willows and poplars happens latter in life after more than 10 years. The young trees don't present that much hassle.
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i didnt know that i thought all poplars had the cotton.,..i did see some hybrid poplars but didnt give them a second thought maybe now i will
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We bought a new home in a 5 acre field 12 years ago so I know what you mean. Have had good luck in Missouri with Maples (Autum Blaze is a great suggestion), Pin Oak, Sycamores, and Ash (although many avoid these now due to Emerald Ash borers) and Tulip.

We have a small creek near by and I pulled a bunch of these as seedlings for free. My experience has been that the trees I start 12" tall catch up to the 4 - 5' nursery trees within about 3 years. Our Conservation department also had free 2'-ers for pickup. Just some ideas.

Have planted some 70 + trees over the 12 years, think I have only lost two....but I make sure to water pretty well for the first two years. Good luck.
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i didnt know that i thought all poplars had the cotton.,..i did see some hybrid poplars but didnt give them a second thought maybe now i will
HI;

I just looked it up and other poplars can cast cotton to an extent if they are female trees (though from what I know cottonwood is defiantly the most prolific). However, most people selling poplars are going to be selling male clones so that they will not seed.

This explains why I've seen many poplar that never seed.

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Try the Tree Wizard at Arbor Day Foundation, you don't have to join or buy anything from them, the wizard will just help you narrow down the types of trees you may want to plant:

http://www.arborday.org/shopping/tre...zard/intro.cfm

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