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xxxshiftxxx 04-04-2013 11:39 PM

Leak in PVC under walkway
 
I have a leak in my irrigation system... I noticed water pooling while I had my sprinkler valve on.

Dug up some to find water leaking out of the drain pipe that runs under concrete from backyard to front yard along side of house.
Here
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...psf7d73aa2.jpg


Went to the back yard and dug up the rear sprinkler valve to find this.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps29ac28c8.jpg

That's the other end of drain pipe and irrigation PVC supply line... I see no water down from this end with flash light, looking about 1/3 to 1/2 the length.

I return to the side that the water was leaking out to look for the other end of the PVC line... I cannot find it anywhere...


So... Where the heck does that PVC from the back yard that seems to run along the drain pipe at? I have no sprinklers on the other side of yard. Main sprinkler valve and anti siphon valve are in front yard.

Thanks..

joecaption 04-05-2013 12:00 AM

Are you talking about the 3 or 4" PVC line?
Looks like a SCH. 20 drain line for a french drain or your down spouts.

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1152697)
Are you talking about the 3 or 4" PVC line?
Looks like a SCH. 20 drain line for a french drain or your down spouts.

No, the water is leaking from under the walkway some place from my sprinkler supply PVC line. The last picture shows the small PVC line running from backyard under walkway. The water is flowing out of the large drain pipe in the first picture when I turn on the water supply on the anti siphon valve...

So, system is leaking under walkway and water is draining through the large drain pipe.

The small white PVC that runs water to back yard is leaking. I cannont find that in the front, but its right next to drain pipe in rear...

Would the turn this line and take around other side of house?

Seattle2k 04-05-2013 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxshiftxxx (Post 1152701)

Would the turn this line and take around other side of house?

Say what?

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattle2k (Post 1152710)
Say what?

Haha, my bad...

Okay... The last photo shows the small PVC pipe running along the large drain pipe heading under walkway from back of house towards front of house..

The first picture shows large drain pipe coming from under walkway... But there is no PVC pipe coming out with it...

Where the heck does that small PVC pipe go? I thought it would run to the front along the drain pipe.

I need to find this pipe because it is leaking some place under walkway.

user1007 04-05-2013 12:21 PM

My guess is the line does not follow the drain but that there is a right angle somewhere. Someone laid the drain and irrigation and then poured the slab over the angled joint.

Does the valve actually water anything? Maybe it is legacy, was capped off and once watered plants before that walk was poured? That makes no sense though if you say the water supply for the valve is on the other end of the sidewalk.

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 1152950)
My guess is the line does not follow the drain but that there is a right angle somewhere. Someone laid the drain and irrigation and then poured the slab over the angled joint.

Does the valve actually water anything? Maybe it is legacy, was capped off and once watered plants before that walk was poured? That makes no sense though if you say the water supply for the valve is on the other end of the sidewalk.

Yes, that back valve supplies the water to the back yard drip system. I really don't want to break up concrete to find this leak... Freaking eh...

Maybe I can get lucky and find the Supply PVC at a spot on the other side of house and re route it and move the rear sprinkler valve... Completely taking the break out of the loop...

Thanks for info

user1007 04-05-2013 04:39 PM

Just had a thought. Can you give me the model number of that irrigation valve? Guesses to its age?

It may not be able to handle the low flow rates of drip irrigation. Simple switch out could fix your problems. Still concerns me it is backflushing somewhere but that may be your anti-syphon/backflow valve just doing what it should and is supposed to do or it needs a simple rebuild too.

Sometimes legacy irrigation valves built to handle large residential flow rates and lots of water pressure fail to function well under minimal conditions.

Remember your lawn sprinkler system needed around 70psi and depending on how many heads you had and the usual residential supply of 8-12 gallons per minuteof water flow. Drip needs next to nothing in water pressure for most residential systems. Most residential drip emitters draw between .5-12 gallons per hour. If you are putting pressure and water in minutes or gallons per hour on a system that cannot take it because the valve flow rate is set to high or a master valve to the system insists it need the water because it remembers a golf course? It has to back all the water and pressure up to the backflow and anti-syphon valve. If working correctly, it's job is to overflow excess before it gets into your tub and shower.

I really hope some idiot did not pour concrete over your plumbing situation. Jackhammers build character though. Every man or woman should have to work one once.

djlandkpl 04-05-2013 04:49 PM

Looks like a regular Rain Bird. The low pressure valves are bigger and usually have an inline filter. Even with drop on a regular valve it should not cause the backflow to blow water.

user1007 04-05-2013 05:51 PM

Low flow rate valve is what I was wondering about. Not low pressure. But let me think about this. Remember your drip system needs near no pressure AND gallons per hour instead of per minute. Some legacy valves cannot handle the low flow rate even when they used to do fine with the pressure. It may be confused. May just need a new rebuild kit too but it was not leaking right? Water is appearing in the backflow direction.

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 1153133)
Low flow rate valve is what I was wondering about. Not low pressure. But let me think about this. Remember your drip system needs near no pressure AND gallons per hour instead of per minute. Some legacy valves cannot handle the low flow rate even when they used to do fine with the pressure. It may be confused. May just need a new rebuild kit too but it was not leaking right? Water is appearing in the backflow direction.

Correct, it was not leaking... Just randomly started pooling water next to my house. The water was running out of the drain pipe that runs under my side walkway, meaning I had a leak someplace under there within the irrigation system.. I figured the PVC pipe that supplies water to the rear valve was busted...

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 07:38 PM

Okay, so I trenched the side of my patio thinking that the water supply line for the rear drips might have turned 90 that way and came up from the other side of house... And might have sprung a leak at the turn under the concrete... Well, dug down about a foot, nothing found...

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps340d3879.jpg

This is the supply line that comes from no where.

Any other ideas?

djlandkpl 04-05-2013 07:54 PM

Maybe it goes under the house. I think your idea of rerouting the line.

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 08:43 PM

Found that ****....

Was way deeper and about 12 inches away from the big drain pipe... This is gunna be interesting fishing new pipe through...

So...

Connect the new pipe with old pipe and push/ pull through?

xxxshiftxxx 04-05-2013 09:26 PM

The pipe is going to be a ***** pushing through, it goes in at angle... If it doesn't go through smooth... Any problem just feeding it through the drain pipe, there will still be plenty of room for drainage.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps23329b76.jpg


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