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Old 01-06-2017, 10:58 PM   #16
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Plenty of evidence to indicate that while glyphosate does not directly accumulate in humans, it does impair the life cycles of microorganisms and his effect is being further connected to the human health.

Ever wonder why so many people are gluten sensitive now? Do you know what they spray wheat with to dehydrate it prior to harvesting?
Not gonna argue with you about this, but yeah I know exactly why the spray wheat with RoundUp. It's not to dehydrate it. And the problem is not that they spray it, the problem is that a few farmers didn't wait long enough to harvest it. That's all.

That said, you're welcome to not use glyphosate. No problem. But I'm going to keep using it.

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It's not to dehydrate it (i.e. Desiccate) than what is it? It does control weed growth but it was my understanding that the primary role was to extract moisture for easier threshing.

You can keep using it all you want, but the fact that it's use has exploded and the rise of cancer is tangible, is enough to raise some flags.

I get it that correlation is not causation, but look at how much we use now.
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It's not to dehydrate it (i.e. Desiccate) than what is it? It does control weed growth but it was my understanding that the primary role was to extract moisture for easier threshing.

You can keep using it all you want, but the fact that it's use has exploded and the rise of cancer is tangible, is enough to raise some flags.

I get it that correlation is not causation, but look at how much we use now.
Wheat farmers - and other small grain farmers - used to windrow their grain and let it dry before combining it (my dad was one such farmer). That allowed the stalks (and weeds) to dry so that the green stalks didn't jam their combines. The problem with this method was two-fold: First, it was another step in the harvesting process. Second, some of the grain inevitably dropped off the stalks and was lost.

The preferred method of small grain harvest was/is to combine the standing grain. The problem with this method is that green stalks and green weeds often plugged the combines. Also, grain that is too wet will spoil.

Enter RoundUp. Spray it on 2 weeks before the harvest, all green matter dies, the glyphosate dissipates, the harvest is uniform and much easier, and everyone is happy.

The PROBLEM is that some farmers (usually migrant harvesting crews) did not wait long enough, after spraying, to harvest. Sometimes migrant harvesting crews showed up the day of or the day after the spraying was done, and they will NOT wait. The result? Traces of glyphosate on the grain. This is a huge problem on the part of the user, not the product.

Also, the "explosion" of glyphosate use happened decades ago, not recently. In fact, use has declined in recent years. Keep in mind that this product has been on the market since the early 1970s.

Finally, please note that extensive studies have been done by countless agencies for many years, and there has NEVER been ANY confirmation of glyphosate being connected in ANY way to ANY disease. Nothing. Personally, I am very happy that there are so many watchdog groups (and the USDA and EPA) doing all these studies, because a corporation is not going to police itself. But I really wish people would start paying attention to the results of legitimate scientific studies, and stop paying so much attention to propaganda that's cranked out by the Organic Industry.
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The usage of glyphosate has "exploded" over the last two decades.

I am aware of the history of the chemical. It was around in the 60's to be accurate but Monsanto patented it somewhere in the 70's. It usage, in tonnage, around the planet has skyrocketed in the last 20 years.



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Ever wonder why so many people are gluten sensitive now? Do you know what they spray wheat with to dehydrate it prior to harvesting?
No, I don't know. What is it, this thing causing all the Gluten sensitivity all of a sudden?
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oops, I did not notice the later post- I assume the obvious answer is uhhh, Glyphosate.

I don't buy the gluten sensitivity hype. You shouldn't either.
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oops, I did not notice the later post- I assume the obvious answer is uhhh, Glyphosate.

I don't buy the gluten sensitivity hype. You shouldn't either.
So the fact that two family members are gluten sensitive is made up then? Perhaps the fact that we have isolated all other dietary substrates and the only one that was identified was gluten is "made up"?

Don't mistake me for being combative, but I am not a casual consumer and regurgitation of information here.

Whether it is the glyphosate or the gluten I cannot separate that out given the prevalence of glyphosate in agriculture, but what I can tell you is that one you get the wheat out of your diet for a certain amount of time, when you do eat some...you feel it.
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So the fact that two family members are gluten sensitive is made up then? Perhaps the fact that we have isolated all other dietary substrates and the only one that was identified was gluten is "made up"?

Don't mistake me for being combative, but I am not a casual consumer and regurgitation of information here.

Whether it is the glyphosate or the gluten I cannot separate that out given the prevalence of glyphosate in agriculture, but what I can tell you is that one you get the wheat out of your diet for a certain amount of time, when you do eat some...you feel it.
That is purely anecdotal. I'm not saying this is not happening to you, but you cannot make a blanket statement like, "RoundUp is why there's so much gluten intolerance now!" based off your experience. That's like me saying that my entire extended family is farm-connected, and there is NOBODY in my family who has gluten intolerance, therefore glyphosate CANNOT be involved.

What I've found is this: People who believe glyphosate is the cause of everything from autism to cancer have already made up there minds, and nothing is going to change that. It's best to just move on.
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I get it that correlation is not causation, but look at how much we use now.
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I don't buy the gluten sensitivity hype. You shouldn't either.
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That is purely anecdotal. I'm not saying this is not happening to you, but you cannot make a blanket statement like, "RoundUp is why there's so much gluten intolerance now!" based off your experience. That's like me saying that my entire extended family is farm-connected, and there is NOBODY in my family who has gluten intolerance, therefore glyphosate CANNOT be involved.

What I've found is this: People who believe glyphosate is the cause of everything from autism to cancer have already made up there minds, and nothing is going to change that. It's best to just move on.
Where did I make a blanket statement?

Please see my statements from previous posts (i.e. correlation is not causation).

I did not say that it was the specific cause, but what I have provided so far you have not refuted as it pertains to usage of glyphosate. The US consumption of this product has skyrocketed in the last 20 years and and much of these issues we are seeing seem overlap quite consistently with that time frame and usage increases.

What I am saying is that "I don't know". As it pertains to me and my family, I have observed the undeniability of this connection as well as in my own diet.

Do I think it is all of a sudden gluten that is the issue (i.e. something that we have eaten for thousands of years), no. Do I think it is a combination of things (runt wheat, glyphosate, pesticides and herbicides), yes.

We are finding more and more about glyphosate and its impact on the microorganisms and our own bodies and that same micro level.

Do I think a substance, regardless of the claimed benignity to humans, is a good idea when it is found in the drinking water, urine, and blood of humans...no.

I do find it interesting that links to studies claiming cancer links go dead from time to time.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widely-used-herbicide-linked-to-cancer/
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I have no dog in this fight, and there is no point in continuing an already-decided discussion.

Cheers - and I mean that seriously, not snarkily.
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I appreciate your feedback and previously provided information.

Thank you for the discussion and enjoyed it as well.
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So the fact that two family members are gluten sensitive is made up then? Perhaps the fact that we have isolated all other dietary substrates and the only one that was identified was gluten is "made up"?

Don't mistake me for being combative, but I am not a casual consumer and regurgitation of information here.

Whether it is the glyphosate or the gluten I cannot separate that out given the prevalence of glyphosate in agriculture, but what I can tell you is that one you get the wheat out of your diet for a certain amount of time, when you do eat some...you feel it.

I never disputed those "two people" as not having gluten sensitivity- just that the whole gluten free craze is hype, thats all, Windows. Thats was the tone of your position on the gluten sensitivity "epidemic". Gluten fee marketing histeria and Hype, Hype, and Hype. Dont feed on it (pun??)

First it was "fat free", then "sugar free", then "buy Organic", then the Probiotic Hype, now its "gluten free".

Gluten sensitivity affects <5% of our population, but the food industry has figured that if they market their gluten free products to say, 100% of the market, it pays off big. We dont have a gluten problem, nor a pesticide problem, nor a digestive enzyme/biotics problem- we have an overeating problem.

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Please reread my previous posts. I didn't not even infer that anything was an "epidemic" here.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that some fad dietary trends are massive money makers, but to somehow claim that historical data on pesticides and herbicides is not well documented as having negative impacts on your health is just purposely ignorant to facts.

You do realize that most of the pesticides/herbicides on the market are in direct replacement of products that were banned for health impacts. These impacts were determined only after they were previously thought of as being "safe".

I am not claiming that glyphosate is going to kill everyone, only that I am cautious of anything that is used in these quantities that we see chemicals being used in.

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I am in Tucson AZ. I have about half acre of desert dirt, minimally landscaped with everything that grows here always reoccurring after I manually hoe and rake. Will use chemicals if I have to but first want to see about vinegar. Horticultural is 20% vinegar.


I'm a little late but I think a box or two of borax ( 20 mule team laundry booster) will effectively render that soil unable to sprout seeds of anytype
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