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weatheredwood 03-11-2008 08:46 PM

Help with drainage problem.
 
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I need to run storm water drainage for an area where I laid patio blocks. I included a MS Paint picture of what I was planing on doing. I'm basically going to buy those box grill drainage parts and interconnect them with pvc pipe. I will run the underground pipe to a shallow trench at the edge of my property line. I have a few questions though.

-Do I need to slope the 4" underground pipe that goes to the trench?

-How much do I need to slope the patio blocks to the center where the grills are located?

-Do you have a better suggestion to remove storm water from this area?


Thanks

weatheredwood 03-14-2008 08:36 PM

Can someone tell me if I am supposed to slope underground drainage pipe? Can I just run it level all the way across?

raam 03-14-2008 08:53 PM

Yes you do need to slope the pipe, otherwise how will the water get to the trench. I would slightly slope the pavers too, but if you prepare the ground underneath with a sand bed on sloped undisturbed soil or geotextile fabric, the water will permeate through and make it's way to the grill as well. Bump for more opinions.

terri_and_jj 03-14-2008 10:08 PM

pipe needs to be sloped. 1/4" per foot is a general rule of thumb for any drain pipe

I'm a little confused. are the pavers already down? what did you use for a subbase and how thick is it?

Bondo 03-15-2008 08:17 AM

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I'm a little confused. are the pavers already down?
Ayuh,...
And,..
Which way do the Pavers Slope/ Pitch,..??

weatheredwood 03-16-2008 07:06 PM

The problem I am having is that the trench is around 35 to 40 feet away from the first drain grill. The trench is only 6 to 8 inches deep. I can't really dig the trench deeper because of liability issues. I don't want my neighbor kid breaking his leg in the trench while playing. At 1/4in drop for every foot, I am looking at 10inches at the trench. This doesn't include the 3 or 4 inches under grade that it states off at. I would be looking at a trench at a minimum of 14inches. I thought it would drain if at level because the entire pipe is below grade. It would have to drain if it fills with water.

I haven't laid the patio blocks yet.

terri_and_jj 03-17-2008 04:32 PM

is there a reason you can't simply slope the pavers slightly, so the runoff is directed toward the trench?

water is lazy, if you don't slope the pipe, it isn't going to move.

raam 03-17-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by weatheredwood (Post 108325)
The problem I am having is that the trench is around 35 to 40 feet away from the first drain grill. The trench is only 6 to 8 inches deep. I can't really dig the trench deeper because of liability issues. I don't want my neighbor kid breaking his leg in the trench while playing. At 1/4in drop for every foot, I am looking at 10inches at the trench. This doesn't include the 3 or 4 inches under grade that it states off at. I would be looking at a trench at a minimum of 14inches. I thought it would drain if at level because the entire pipe is below grade. It would have to drain if it fills with water.

I haven't laid the patio blocks yet.

Can you not dig out the trench, lay the piping and then back fill with gravel afterwards. You need that depth.

Bondo 03-17-2008 05:55 PM

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I haven't laid the patio blocks yet.
Ayuh,....

In That Case,.....
Alter the grade of what you have,+ pitch the water where you want it to go........
Raise the center of the courtyard, 1 end or the other,..??
Whatever it takes....

What's the Total vertical Drop from the existing Sidewalk, down to the Trench,..??

weatheredwood 03-18-2008 08:05 AM

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I can't bury the pipe at the trench because the trench leads to the street. It would create a huge trap. I attached another picture. The water would have to drain because it will take the path of least resistance which is out the other end at the trench. I could have problems with stagnant water though. I can't really slope the patio away because there is a structure on either side. If I slope it to the trench, I will have a huge puddle in the yard every time it rains. The trench goes another 25 to 30 feet to the road. The first picture isn't to scale. The trench isn't that close to the building.

so-elitecrete 03-19-2008 04:36 AM

can you break the curb ? ? ?
 
leader drains regularly drain onto streets.

weatheredwood 03-20-2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bondo (Post 108600)
Ayuh,....

In That Case,.....
Alter the grade of what you have,+ pitch the water where you want it to go........
Raise the center of the courtyard, 1 end or the other,..??
Whatever it takes....

What's the Total vertical Drop from the existing Sidewalk, down to the Trench,..??

How do I measure the drop? I was going to just pull some string across (sidewalk and trench). I would then put a level on the string and see what the difference is at the trench. Is this the right way? Also, How much should I slope the pavers to the center where the drain is? Is 1 in every 10 ft sufficient?

LawnGuyLandSparky 03-20-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by weatheredwood (Post 108755)
I can't bury the pipe at the trench because the trench leads to the street. It would create a huge trap. I attached another picture. The water would have to drain because it will take the path of least resistance which is out the other end at the trench. I could have problems with stagnant water though. I can't really slope the patio away because there is a structure on either side. If I slope it to the trench, I will have a huge puddle in the yard every time it rains. The trench goes another 25 to 30 feet to the road. The first picture isn't to scale. The trench isn't that close to the building.

Are you saying that AFTER you dig a trench, you're going to leave it open?

weatheredwood 03-20-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky (Post 109397)
Are you saying that AFTER you dig a trench, you're going to leave it open?

I am referring to the gully in between the property line. It is common to see them in this neighborhood. It is a very shallow gully because I get worried someone will break their leg.

Bondo 03-21-2008 08:46 AM

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How do I measure the drop?
Ayuh,... A Sight Level is the Best,+ Easiest way......
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Also, How much should I slope the pavers to the center where the drain is? Is 1 in every 10 ft sufficient?
As long as it's negative pitch All the way,....
Ayuh,... It'll drain......

Any Pitch, that's less than Dead Level will drain,.... How Fast is the only difference.....


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