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Old 08-05-2008, 01:30 PM   #1
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Hi everyone! First time poster here.

My husband and I are planning on doing some yard improvements, but we've never attempted a project that requires much in the way of building. However, we've got some DIY experience...we put down a ceramic tile floor when we remodeled our bathroom a few years ago.

Considering that ability/knowledge level, I'm wondering if we'd be able to do some stone work in our garden. I'd like to do something similar to the first photo on this page:
http://www.detailslandscapeart.com/i...he_garden.html

Do the skills translate, or would we be getting in over our heads? Any advice is appreciated.

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Old 08-06-2008, 10:49 AM   #2
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Hi everyone! First time poster here.

My husband and I are planning on doing some yard improvements, but we've never attempted a project that requires much in the way of building. However, we've got some DIY experience...we put down a ceramic tile floor when we remodeled our bathroom a few years ago.

Considering that ability/knowledge level, I'm wondering if we'd be able to do some stone work in our garden. I'd like to do something similar to the first photo on this page:
http://www.detailslandscapeart.com/i...he_garden.html

Do the skills translate, or would we be getting in over our heads? Any advice is appreciated.

Not much skills are required, but a lot of work. ni a nut shell, Digging, leveling, compacting and laying the bricks.

I would recommend doing a lot of research before starting, youtube has a lot of videos on how to, permacon.com has some guide lines.. and your best friend should be google.com if you want to find out anything about this.
Good luck.

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Old 08-06-2008, 03:38 PM   #3
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the picture indicates a circular shape patio... which means you need to cut circular stone... which is not undoable... but means a lot of work and also you should have a good saw for that....

any curve cut is tough....

stone cutting is somthing DIYers always think it is easier than it should be...i.e. kind of pay too little respect to this guy....
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Old 08-06-2008, 05:51 PM   #4
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I won't say it is impossible for someone who has some tile experience to lay stone like in your picture, but it is pretty damn unlikely. That is the hardest style to lay well.
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Old 08-06-2008, 08:34 PM   #5
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I remember with the tile project how much of a pain the cutting was, so I'm not feeling confident about the curved cuts (nice as they look). I appreciate all the feedback, I think we might keep on this track and give it a go. I just didn't want to purchase all the materials only to find out what we're in over our heads.

Thanks for all the comments!
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:20 PM   #6
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as my believe is DIY can almost do anything as long as time/effort is willing to be invested...

just want to add... cutting regular tiles and cutting stones has big difference.... I do both also... cutting tiles to me is now really more than easier than "piece of cake" ... no matter what shapes you talk about here... after I cut these baster stones... I cut 4" stones with these tools:
7" table wet saw, 4" grinder, 4" handheld circular wet saw, and hammer..... If only I have those monster big saws the contractors have.... the job will be so much easier (guessing only, never tried myself).... couldn't affort to rent/buy those... so stick with my limited tools.... besides that, I got more power than regular home owner....

anyway.... the problem is the thickness of these basters... you can't finish it with one clean cut.... need to always cut both side and hammer them out... this is probably ok for straight cut.... but curve cuts.... it is a time/effort killer..... I still able to do it... but may be 3 stones cutting per hour... and I probably have 40 to 50 or more to go..... for curve cuts though, inside corner is 3 times more difficult than outside corner.... in your pictures, you are dealing with outside corner only so that is good news for you....

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Old 08-07-2008, 06:17 PM   #7
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The edge is easy. I am talking about shaping the stones for consistant joint sizes in that style of patio. I have seen quite a few DIY attempts at that style, mostly when I was called in to consult on remedys. It hurts their feelings and their pocketbooks when the only thing to be done is to rip it out.

Pick another style, or at least buy a half ton of rock and try it dry before you go at it full tilt.
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Ok, I think I understand. Currently it looks like we're lacking the equipment and even if we could rent it for a decent price, it sounds like the learning curve might be a little steep. We'll probably check out some alternatives...thanks for all the advice, this is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to get.
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I install exterior patios for a living. The bulk of work involved in a patio or any size or shape is the leveling of the base materials to be compacted to allow for slope....drainage. There is also need for retaining the edges so the sand wont seep out over time and erosion. As so many say it isnt rocket science..... but to have a long lasting patio you should do plenty of homework and preperation...... AND DONT FORGET THE ICY HOT... Those stones are very heavy and will be lifted many times from delivery location (Driveway) to the finished laid patio. Be sure your patio stone is at least 1 1/2 inches thick. Any thinner will shift, buckle and break over a short period of time. Remember a Two inch thick piece of flagstone that is 2ft by 3ft weighs about 50 lbs...
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:27 AM   #10
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I think a successful concrete patio project for DIYers relies heavily on how well you cut the stones... right renting from HD definitely a good idea especially now I know they have those splitters for hire only $15/4hours or $21/day. But DIYers cannot finish all the cutting in a day or two... so the best solution I think is to hire HD equipment for most of the cuts... then leave the time consuming strange shape to be cut by own equipments,...so some sort of water saw must be owned to proceed with a project.... rely solely on renting may end up too expensive for large project like this.
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Other tips -- hire a landscaper to dig out the space. It will save your back and be well worth the small cost. Why not avoid most of the cutting and do bricks or a random shape with slate. With slate, you have to plan it out like a jigsaw puzzle -- put them in place, take them off, try again, but if you know it's random, you can avoid trying to make it look perfect.
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After looking at scottzoids patio and walkway gallery, he is correct, what he has done in the picture you like takes years of experience, as well as experienced manpower and time. The pics in his gallery are absolutely beautiful and he and his crew are artists. Those installations are absolutely perfect from what I could see in the pics. Excellent work scottzoid!

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