What is acceptable tolerance for framing walls?

Willie T

As I said, that would (should) have been the HO's choice. But the closet being out means almost nothing. And I would never have suggested a screwed up window.

Most of the "out of square" is now mainly inside the shower, not the bathroom.(The bath is right now only 3/4" out.)

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Willie T

You might want to recalculate the shower window sill for that 3/8" 'difference'.

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CopperClad

I'm not calculating anything... You can't look at a picture with numbers on one side and determine if its out of square???? All we know from the information the OP has supplied is that his east and west block wall are 1 3/8'' out of parallel... All of it could be on the west... all of it could be on the east.. could be half the difference on both sides.. You don't know, I don't know, and the OP doesn't know. I asked him to verify square already. I've asked if he's tiling the closet as well. The north and south walls could be out of parallel. Calculate? I can assume, nothing solid to calculate with. Only thing I can tell you for sure, is in your post you said to thank you framer.. ABSURD ... Choke him out. What is the acceptable tolerance to wall framing????? 0 to 1/8'' .. Bathrooms? 0 .. bottom line. Thank him.. Good thing there's people like you.. I make a career out of fixing other peoples mistakes. Thank him all day.. Years later a guy like me will be there to fix it right..

Willie T

Sorry. I thought when you told me "or a window sill with a 3/8's or less reveal from jamb to jamb.", that you must have somehow caculated that measurement, not just pulled it off the top of your head.

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CopperClad

Every foundation/slab I've ever stepped on has been out of square..EVERY single one... Every house I've ever framed has been absolutely square... OOps the concrete guys built this foundation 2'' out of square, I guess we will just build the whole house out of square then??? No....You BUILD it square.. You adjust the walls square.. not almost square.. SQUARE.

Willie T

NOW you're beginning to understand what the framer was trying to do.

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CopperClad

Ummm... The framer didn't do anything but hack up some walls.. I've already told you what should have happened. It's not a difference in opinion we have here.. It is right VS wrong. Square VS Not square.

kj6887

I agree with woody as far as verification but being a guy that remodels for a living I am with Willie T. 100% When I used to work commercial I would lay out all types of jobs and would never use existing structure to measure off of, always grid lines, since there are none of those in a reno my guess is the framer straight lined the north wall to line up with the block and then came off of that line at a 90 for the hall. You can only polish a turd so much. I say leave everything as is and if the floor tile and wall tile are on the large end it should be just fine. Once again to agree with Willie T the prob should have been pointed out to the HO and given options for fixing and also the costs that go with those fixes.

Willie T

Not all that keen on being either right or wrong, Copper. Just trying to suggest how to best go ahead and deal with what is. Done too many hundreds of these skewed messes to hassle over trying to build a square box inside a parallelogram.

The only thing that will look off in a noticeable manner is going to be the inside floor of the shower. And that can be nullified by a good tile person. You can do wonders by fudging grout widths and wide borders.

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miamicuse

WOW, I didn't expect such a heated debate.

To answer some of the questions.

#1 - I am going to tile the bathroom and obviously the shower.
#2 - the hallway leads to the master bedroom, and that will all be some sort of wood floor.
#3 - Today I did some square checking, and I have concluded the hallway is skewed, but parallel.
#4 - These interior walls (except for the concrete walls) are all non-load bearing walls, so on top they are floating with no load.
#5 - The east and west walls both measured 86".
#6 - I tried to run a string from SW corner of shower to NE corner of closet, to check for squareness of the entire space but the door got in the way. So I used 3-4-5 to check for squareness or the four corners.
#7 - The closet corners seem to be squared.
#8 - The west wall, I am not sure. The problem is there used to be a plastered wall there, we ripped that down and made it into a shower, so the original 1x2 furring strips are still on there. They are very uneven, in that due to some of the concrete block joints have excess concrete, the strips bent and twist a little, and when I measure the distance on the floor starting from the block, I got variations if I measure from the face of the strips, but not always by the constant thickness of the 1x2. I think I might have to remove all the strips, and redo the furring and make sure all is even across the wall and level top to bottom, then nail a piece of lumber across all the vertical furrings, and check squareness off that. Right now it is a mess.

I know I probably cannot make it perfectly square, but I am going to try to square as much as I can, and fudge the closet as the last resort.