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Old 07-18-2013, 07:20 PM   #16
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When I did that while the granite guy was waiting---I said," If you weren't here I'd just cut out this drywall."

His reply," Pretend I'm not here. I'd do the same thing."

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Old 07-18-2013, 08:19 PM   #17
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ok. back on topic. i talked to an installer today. he said 1" in 10' is nothing. plus what you guys said. i am going to do some more measuring this weekend, and decide if i will try to square it up a little, or just leave it.

on a side note : i looked at what i firmly believe to be RTA cabinets. the quality looked to be just fine. not high end(of cource), but not near junk either. and the overall look was just fine.
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[QUOTE=Fix'n it;1217737]ok. back on topic. i talked to an installer today. he said 1" in 10' is nothing. plus what you guys said. i am going to do some more measuring this weekend, and decide if i will try to square it up a little, or just leave it. (So....)

on a side note : i looked at what i firmly believe to be RTA cabinets. the quality looked to be just fine. not high end(of cource), but not near junk either. and the overall look was just fine. SO......[/QUOTE]


Sorry for leaving topic...back to your question... best I recall, normal fudge is about 1" thick.
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These RTA cabinets----do they have face frames with 1/4" overlay?

If they are frameless you need a very straight wall or you will rack the boxes as you install them.
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These RTA cabinets----do they have face frames with 1/4" overlay?

If they are frameless you need a very straight wall or you will rack the boxes as you install them.
idk exactly what that is. the guy said they are all plywood box's.
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Using this image as an example, if the faceframe is flush with the sidewall, there won't be a gap between the sidewall and the drywall. Since your walls aren't square, the cabinet will get smushed and racked out of square.

If the faceframe extends past the sidewall, it creates a gap and allows the edge of the faceframe to be scribed tightly against the drywall.
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A face frame is where the front of the cabinet is an actual hardwood frame. The sides, top and bottom attach to it...

The 'overlay' is where the side of the face frame sticks out about 1/4-1/2" past the sides.....this is what lets you put it up flush against a wall that is not straight.
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ok, yeah. they had an overlay.
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A face frame is where the front of the cabinet is an actual hardwood frame. The sides, top and bottom attach to it...

The 'overlay' is where the side of the face frame sticks out about 1/4-1/2" past the sides.....this is what lets you put it up flush against a wall that is not straight.
As Dawg and Mike point out, the face frame (as opposed to a completely flush box construction of European) assists with contouring the cabinet to a sidewall....although I would use a filler normally.

but equally advantageous, is if you do not have a straight backwall. Because of the face frame extending past the sidewall by 3/8" or so, the cabinets can be minorily corrected from a perfect flush front to bend back (or bend forwoward) a little...

Boy that is hard to explain,,,, and I can't draw... but take Dawgs and Mikes word that there is more adjustment available in face frame cabinetry than in a European box.

You will understand when you go to install.

Actually, DJ's picture may be confusing, because he does not show the face frame extending beyond the sidewall of the cabinet. This thread is refering to that 1/4 to 1/2 inch as "overlay".... I've never heard it called that... to me "overlay" is a hinge concept and the extent that a cabinet door overlaps it's face frame hole.
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i am pretty sure i understand what you guys are talking about. this would come into play for the lower cabinets. as the uppers would not be connected = stove & window opening, one on each of the 3 walls.
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this is a ROUGH layout. as you can see, i am not good at PAINT.
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i am pretty sure i understand what you guys are talking about. this would come into play for the lower cabinets. as the uppers would not be connected = stove & window opening, one on each of the 3 walls.
Yep.... exactly for the most part it applies to when you have to string cabinatry down a wall....

freestanding individual cabinetry is only effected if it is butting a sidewall, as faceframe allows you to put a small molding to cover any sidewall irregularities.... however even in European cabs, any irregulatity can usually be caulked, is disguized/hidded by the door assembly, or a filler can be used in more extreme irregularities.


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i went ahead and squared up the 3 walls. it is WAY better than it was before.
it was 1 3/4" out. i cut 2 wedges for the top & bottom plates. then ripped 2x4s to fill in. that wall will have extra insulation in it now.
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i went ahead and squared up the 3 walls. it is WAY better than it was before.
it was 1 3/4" out. i cut 2 wedges for the top & bottom plates. then ripped 2x4s to fill in. that wall will have extra insulation in it now.
Fixn......Geeze.... Nice clean job.... and at 1 3/4 out.... you will be happy you did that.

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