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Old 09-14-2012, 08:09 AM   #16
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So where does it say that anywhere?

Other than you bringing it up a few times I've never heard of or read that anywhere.
I actually read 3.25" recommend but not that it's code.

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to my knowledge the only requirement in the 2009 International Residential Code for a drop in floor elevation from interior to exterior is:

R311.3.1 Floor elevations at the required egress doors. Landings or floors at the required egress door shall not be more than 1-1/2 inches (38 mm) lower than the top of the threshold.

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The exterior landing or floor shall not be more than 73/4 inches (196 mm) below the top of the threshold provided the door does not swing over the landing or floor.

The 4" comes from the International Building Code, which can be used (and sometimes required) in the design of residential structures.

1009.4.2 Riser height and tread depth. Stair riser heights shall be 7 inches (178 mm) maximum and 4 inches (102 mm) minimum.

Anything less than 4" (even 4" can be) become a trip hazard.

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kwik,

to my knowledge the only requirement in the 2009 International Residential Code for a drop in floor elevation from interior to exterior is:

R311.3.1 Floor elevations at the required egress doors. Landings or floors at the required egress door shall not be more than 1-1/2 inches (38 mm) lower than the top of the threshold.

Exception:
The exterior landing or floor shall not be more than 73/4 inches (196 mm) below the top of the threshold provided the door does not swing over the landing or floor.

The 4" comes from the International Building Code, which can be used (and sometimes required) in the design of residential structures.

1009.4.2 Riser height and tread depth. Stair riser heights shall be 7 inches (178 mm) maximum and 4 inches (102 mm) minimum.

Anything less than 4" (even 4" can be) become a trip hazard.

Hope that helps!
Thanks, I knew that. What I was referring too was a requirement that said the deck surface "must" be at a lower elevation than the floor inside, which is what I thought Joe was referring too.

Although a good idea for weatherproofing I don’t think it’s required, in fact in the case of multi-unit dwellings and public places it’s not allowed (as a step anyway).
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I figured that you knew by asking the question .....

I gave the only IRC code section I am aware that gives the requirements for interior and exterior floor levels and as can be seen, there is no requirement for an exterior landing/deck/floor to be lower than the inside, in fact it limits the maximum drop as 1-1/2" lower than the top of the threshold unless a door does not swing over it (going outward).

As you state for weatherproofing it is an excellent idea to drop the deck lower than the inside.
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one thing you will want to do is make sure there is not a support 2x4 between the windows , known as a stud pocket. chances are you have a full header above but maybe not. the best way to find out is to demo drywall and expose framing and pull the mullion trim between the windows to see inside of the slotted space...
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Thanks guys. The deck is totally finished now (pics to come). I will be looking to tackle the door within a week or so.
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Is it a free standing deck?
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Do you have any pics of the inside?

How wide is that window?

I would remove some trim and drywall from the inside, it's what I ended up doing that finally gave me the confidene to just tear into it. I was looking at a single width door which if my memory serves me correctly was 82" in height, but the header I found was 80" above the subfloor so I ended up with a slider that was 80" in height so it worked out perfectly since I gained 1/2" by going down to the subfloor.

If you remove the drywall you will be able to see exactly what kind of a door you can fit in there.

Is that vinyl siding or clapboard?
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PLEASE PLEASE post pictures of your progress with the door, I have this exact same project coming up!
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Will do, it will be at least a few weeks before I start.
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Do you have any pics of the inside?

How wide is that window?

I would remove some trim and drywall from the inside, it's what I ended up doing that finally gave me the confidene to just tear into it. I was looking at a single width door which if my memory serves me correctly was 82" in height, but the header I found was 80" above the subfloor so I ended up with a slider that was 80" in height so it worked out perfectly since I gained 1/2" by going down to the subfloor.

If you remove the drywall you will be able to see exactly what kind of a door you can fit in there.

Is that vinyl siding or clapboard?

Okay, window jam total width is 75". Height is 80". Sorry for the dark pic.....

If I go with a door this size it will be perfect...... http://www.lowes.com/pd_391799-94705...etInfo=Sliding
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That's the same size door I put in my house, I don't know anything about that door though, I used an Andersen door.

You're going to have to re-route that electric - do you have a basement or a crawlspace? I had to do the same, it came in handy to have the wife upstairs while i was crawling around down there. I had to move a duct too though, looks like you're a bit luckier than I am.

Pull the curtains, pull the window trim and cut the drywall from the window edge and straight down and pull it. Do the same above the window, pull out whatever insulation might be there, that should give you a good idea of what you're working with.
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That's the same size door I put in my house, I don't know anything about that door though, I used an Andersen door.

You're going to have to re-route that electric - do you have a basement or a crawlspace? I had to do the same, it came in handy to have the wife upstairs while i was crawling around down there. I had to move a duct too though, looks like you're a bit luckier than I am.

Pull the curtains, pull the window trim and cut the drywall from the window edge and straight down and pull it. Do the same above the window, pull out whatever insulation might be there, that should give you a good idea of what you're working with.
I do have a basement. Rerouting the electric will be easy as I have done it for my kitchen renovation already. I will most likely re-route it to be an outdoor outlet for the deck and connect a switch/ outdoor light.

Unfortunately it got cold here real quick. It's 36 here. Yikes!!!! Hopefully a bit of a warmer weekend is in my future to get this done. I'll keep everyone posted.

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