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Old 03-17-2010, 09:35 AM   #1
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Good morning everyone from Washington State!
Question, I have old LP siding on the front of the house with roofing paper as underlayment. I plan on replacing the LP with Hardiplank and was wondering if I should also replace the roofing paper (tar/felt paper) with Tyvek or equivilent or just put Tyvek or equivilent over the paper?

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I’ve ripped off close to a 100 houses of LP on the Oregon Coast and you definitely want to replace the paper. By the time you get the siding off the paper will be to ripped up.

NO TYVEK, NO THIS IS THE BEST NEW HOUSEWRAP ON THE MARKET.
30lb FELT, FELT, FELT.

I know we are not suppose to product bash here but Tyvek and the like I’m sure are just fine in dryer climates, it just doesn’t cut it our wet Pacific NW. I don't care what the sales rep. has to say.

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Thanks for the advice. You were not the first to suggest NOT using house wrap of any kind. Granted we are much further inland from the coastal projects you have done but still wet, damp environment. 30LB felt it is!!!!
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in those types of enviorments a rainscreen detail is a good idea...along with using the felt
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Okay, what is a rainscreen detail? I live just North East of Tacoma, Wa.
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its adding a small space between the siding and the sheathing,which can help protect the wall and allow solid sidings like fiber cement or wood to dry out from behind...the hardie website shows a rain screen type detail i believe,they may have another name for it tho,in wet climates i would encourage you to look into it
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Welcome BBG ~ any picture of your house ? I'd love to see the progress of swapping out the sidings please try to document it ?
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A rain screen detail is the way to go but in my 25 years of doing this stuff I’ve “never” seen it done. I’ve tried to sell it a few times but no go. It defiantly adds considerable cost. It also creates other issues that add to the cost such as door jamb extensions, electrical outlets, vents that all have to be moved out to look right. Sometimes windows are an issue. Might not be as bad on new construction if it was all planed out.
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Agree, photodocing progress appreciated. I'm about 18 months from doing this myself.
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Just north of you in British Columbia, the rain screen is code.
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pack out of doors and windows is an issue but no more of an issue than if you were going to install a thick foam underlayment

more of an issue would be adequate roof overhang
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Thanks everybody for "chiming in" on answers, suggestions and comments. I will look in to the Hardiplank website and look at that 'rainscreen' item.
I have been in my house for 20 years, bought it new and the front of the house is LP lap siding and the other three sides are the T-1011 siding. And yes, there are areas of the T-1011 where there is de-lamination/blistering happening.
I will be more than happy to share progress pictures with you all. I plan on doing the front some time this summer. What's nice about my "humble little abode" is I can do the siding in phases and complete portions of it in a day (minus the painting).
Another question; what is anybodies recommendation on putting hardipllank over T-1011? Any wrap underneath the Hardiplank?
Again everybody, thanks for the feedback!!!!
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Welcome to the forum! I'm in Tacoma.

Rain screen: http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/pdf/RainScreen.pdf

http://www.nchh.org/Portals/0/Contents/Article0440.pdf

http://www.coastalcontractor.net/article/135.html

The trouble with house wraps: http://www.dickseibert.com/martin.pdf

Make sure it's real builder's paper: http://www.fortifiber.com/pdf/fortif...sk_vs_felt.pdf

Tar paper over T1-11 is fine as it only has a perm rating of 6- 30 after it gets wet. http://www.hornerflooring.com/techgu...watervapor.pdf

It is a vapor retarder, not barrier, two layers would not be a problem.

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Thanks for the great links Gary. I am tentatively planning on doing one section of siding above the garage roof where two bedrooms reside. I plan on stripping the siding off, check the roofing paper, and replace the two windows. Thanks to you, it looks like I have some good, easy steps on how to properly install wrap as well as around windows.
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Glad we could help, that's why we are here! Always a nice surprise to answer someone so close, too.

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