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Old 09-16-2012, 10:59 PM   #16
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Thanks for your response. Do you have any photos showing what you just explained? not sure if I got the picture. also you mentioned using fire blocking foam on the back of top plate?

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double stud on the outside corner. for a taller wall, at about the center of the wall add blocking in the stud bays that tie the outside corner to the rest of the wall.

a good and strong inside corner consists of.. on one wall put two ganged up studs in with 3 or 4 2x blocks spacing the 2 studs to 4 1/2" ( imagine 3 studs nailed together but the blocks take the place of the middle stud) .
on the other wall add one stud that nails to the ganged up studs. there will be 1 1/2" for drywall to nail to coming out of the corner of the wall and the other side will have 1" to nail drywall to.
you can also pre build the inside corner first and then put it into the wall...

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In reference to the issue with moving the top plate for level after being nailed.
You could have use a "cats claw" to remove the nails with minimal damage to the plate.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:20 PM   #18
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For inside corners make an L out of 2 studs, the other wall just has an end stud.
or have a 2nd from last stud 4" from the corner.
Here are lots of examples of different styles https://www.google.ca/search?q=wall+...w=1439&bih=740
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http://studio-tm.com/constructionblo...crete-slab.jpg
this is what I'm referring to as an inside corner. in this case, the right bottom plate extends out. in my case, the left top and bottom plate extends out to right wall line.

http://www.basements101.com/framing2.html
I'll be using this method for the inside corner. Now the question is, my 16" on center would start where in reference to the corner?

http://www.build-home-building-house...ges/wall09.gif
I'm going to use the first method for my wall. Do I use standard 16" oc for the left frame?

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As you are not putting sheeting on the outside your spacing can start from the inside corner.
First method is good, yes use standard 16"OC spacing
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Thanks for your response. Do you have any photos showing what you just explained? not sure if I got the picture. also you mentioned using fire blocking foam on the back of top plate?
you do not want dead air space behind the wall where it meets floors and such. the top plate of the wall seals the top of the wall from the floor joist bays above so you want to seal behind the wall against the top plate so the air space in the wall does not travel up into the joist bays above.

sorry, do not have a pic for the corner detail. My explanation for the outside corner was actually for the end of the wall, oops- but a double stud that is nailed together on the outside corner works great and is a strong corner.

for the inside corner, imagine three studs (triple) nailed together and placed in the wall, the thickness of the wall is 3 1/2" and the triple is 4 1/2" .

found this on google, the fist diagram on the first page is exactly what I'm mentioning and see how they added blocks in the corner to save from using extra studs ...
http://extremehowto.com/a-smart-way-to-frame-a-corner/
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Around here that is considered the worst way, much less insulation then a L corner.
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Need some advise on vapor barrier. I was advised by the Home Depot project manager that I install the polyethylene on the back of the framing and lift the frame up using plastic shims under the treated floor plate. he said that will allow the vapor (if any) to cycle in and dry. On my first wall, I wasn't able to put plastic shims under as my walls were pretty tight. should I remote the plastic from the back and put them on the front side? I won't be using any insulation.

please advise on how to correct this wall and proper way on any other walls I'll be building.

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I know it's an extra expense, but I would HIGHLY suggest putting insulation in. My brother finished his basement about an hour and a half north or KC and didn't put any in. That place was fairly cold during weather like we have now. I can only imagine what it would have been like during 0 degree weather if he wouldn't have sold it. If I was finishing a basement, it is something I would definitely put in.
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this last winter wasn't a very cold one but I spent quite a bit of time in the basement without any heating and it didn't feel much cold there. I would definitely consider that once the framing is complete but I'm really trying to address the moisture issue before the framing goes up.

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I know it's an extra expense, but I would HIGHLY suggest putting insulation in. My brother finished his basement about an hour and a half north or KC and didn't put any in. That place was fairly cold during weather like we have now. I can only imagine what it would have been like during 0 degree weather if he wouldn't have sold it. If I was finishing a basement, it is something I would definitely put in.
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No plastic; http://www.buildingscience.com/docum...lation-systems

http://www.buildingscience.com/docum...ts?full_view=1

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GBR in WA,
I see the issues listed on the links. So do I just leave it bare and build my frame and put drywall in? as I mentioned, I'm not putting any insulation. or do you recommend putting insulation between the studs? I've already put one wall up with plastic behind it. what can I do about that?

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I think that you should put some insulation in. It's not that much money.
I recently finished my basement and put foam sheets on the concrete wall then framed a 2x4 wall and put insulation in the stud bays.
I'm glad I did, it's already warmer and quieter.
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Read those links again, the styrofaom against the wall is key!
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The foam board air seals the concrete against summertime condensation, especially above grade. Plastic alone will stop moisture through the concrete but not room air from condensing on it, need foam board.
Read the last link in post #11, for the best way to stop moisture.

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