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Old 10-07-2006, 09:47 AM   #16
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DoubleA/ GL- Many thanks for you're very thourough explaination!

I should have signed-up with a forum like this years ago... Everyone is really contributing great information which, otherwise, would have taken me several trips to Menards to get a fraction of what I got here. Thanks again everyone.

I think I'll be turning this space into a shower tub...

Redline- I have an electric dryer. Which brings up a question; I plan to reuse the existing 220 line however I doubt it will reach its new location. I assume this wire/s can be spliced in a junction box..?

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Redline- I have an electric dryer. Which brings up a question; I plan to reuse the existing 220 line however I doubt it will reach its new location. I assume this wire/s can be spliced in a junction box..?
I'd answer you, but it seems you only want Redline to answer that portion of your question.

He will likely tell you that you can splice it in a juction box, but only if you have a 4 wire cable. The old 3 wire dryer cables are currently non-conforming, and you may not extend it to reuse it for use with your dryer in a new location.
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I haven't really brought this up; but I plan to extend the existing H/C water and drain by using that "neoprene woven rienforced tubing". Does anyone see a problem with this? I would rather use CPVC but without tearing out drywall in rooms I don't want destroy, this is really not feasible.
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I'd answer you, but it seems you only want Redline to answer that portion of your question.

He will likely tell you that you can splice it in a juction box, but only if you have a 4 wire cable. The old 3 wire dryer cables are currently non-conforming, and you may not extend it to reuse it for use with your dryer in a new location.
Not at all... the thought just carried into that paragraph... Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I living a newer home built 4 years ago. Do you think they used 4-wire cable?

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I living a newer home built 4 years ago. Do you think they used 4-wire cable?
You're probably okay, then.
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I would use only code approved materials for this project.

I strongly dislike any solvent welded water lines in a house. The potential for problems is too great.

What are you your current water lines made of?

As for the drain on the washer, you should plumb them out of cast iron, PVC or ABS. I don't know of any flexible materials that are approved for drains, but I've not really kept up with it. The problem with flexible materials is they can sag if used on the horizontal and cause problems.
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DoubleA-

Everything in the house is CPVC. I haven't had any issues with it. I even added about 50' of it when I installed the water softener. I can blame M/I homes for that one...

So about these flexible water lines and drain; I found a product called "PEX" which seems to be flexible CPVC. It's used in conjunction with "PUSH 'N GO" fittings which are compatable with copper pipe, cpvc and cross-linked Polyethylene (pex). (www.durapex.com) The guy at Menards seemed pretty sure of this combination. As for the drain there is a "white flexible hard rubber ribbed" pipe which can be solvent welded to standard pvc and used for drains. Again the Menards guy seemed sure of this too. Any thoughts?

I guess I won't know exactly what I can do until I start tearing out drywall to assess the path I have to take.
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I'm sure that many people have flooded their homes listening to "the guy at Menard's". There's a reason why they work there and aren't in the field plumbing homes.
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I'm sure that many people have flooded their homes listening to "the guy at Menard's". There's a reason why they work there and aren't in the field plumbing homes.
Just because someone works at Menards or any other hardware store doesn't mean they don't know anything about the department they work. You can tell very quickly who knows what thier talking about and who doesn't. I check my facts before I do anything, hense the reason I'm on this forum.
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You can tell very quickly who knows what thier talking about and who doesn't..
Uh-huh. Okay. I won't spoil your folly then.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, are you saying you want to dump the washer drain into a pan on the floor? and not into a normal washer box stand pipe setup?
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, are you saying you want to dump the washer drain into a pan on the floor? and not into a normal washer box stand pipe setup?
No, not at all. I want the pan to be connected to the main drain in case of a line break. Read back a few posts to what DoubleA recommends, this is what I plan to do...
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The pan can not be connect to the maindrain, not permitted by code, at least where I'm at, route it to the outside somewhere, now the idea thing to do is install a floor drain if no pan will be used, of course the floor will need to be water tight and slope to the drain.

Being a Plumber on the field and in construction, 2nd floor installations are never a problem, very seldom do hoses burst, so we do not install pan or floor drains, if the concern is that, get the braided stainless steel hoses, or replace the hoses once a year or every two years, the main one to worry about it the hot side, it will go long before the cold, but like I say, I seen hoses last for many years and had no problems.
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The pan can not be connect to the maindrain, not permitted by code, at least where I'm at, route it to the outside somewhere, now the idea thing to do is install a floor drain if no pan will be used, of course the floor will need to be water tight and slope to the drain.

Being a Plumber on the field and in construction, 2nd floor installations are never a problem, very seldom do hoses burst, so we do not install pan or floor drains, if the concern is that, get the braided stainless steel hoses, or replace the hoses once a year or every two years, the main one to worry about it the hot side, it will go long before the cold, but like I say, I seen hoses last for many years and had no problems.
Isn't this what the "trap primer" is for? (Running the pan into the main drain?) I would rather not do the pan drain; just a back-up precausion. About these braided lines; I noticed yesterday at the hardware store some braided lines which mechanically shut off if too much "high-velocity" water goes through. Probably what your referreing too...?

What are your thoughts on my earlier post concerning "PEX" and "PUSH 'N GO" fittings? Many thanks for the info...
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Push n Go Fittings

If there the ones I'm thinging of, there code approved, put I would not plumb my house with them, if they are brass and have a plastic collar on the ends, then those are them, if there nothing like these I talked about then I think nothing of them.

Hoses, not the hoses that have shut offs on them but hoses alone.

The reason behind not connecting it to the maindrain is, well lets me just say this, you can use a pan and have it go to a drain, via a floor drain, laundry sink but it have to be an indirect connection, not directly connected to the drain, doing this eliminates the floor drain on 2nd floor and no primer is needed.

Keep in mind, and I'm talking put yourself in the situation where a hose did burst, that water is going to be spraying everywhere, and trust me, it will not be directed towards just the pan. Will the pan accommodate all the water, No, the main reason to install a pan is so is the pump on the washer you will see the problem real soon.


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