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Old 02-28-2010, 06:54 AM   #1
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I remodel kitchens and baths for a living--------------

Here is one often over looked step in a kitchen re do.

The sink drain ends up being to high and the back of the nice new cabinet must be ripped open so you can rework the drains inside the wall.

Back in the old days sinks sat on top of the counter--they were shallow and seldom had a garbage disposer.

Now we use under mount sinks--super deep with a garbage disposer--
The old drain is usually to high.

18" was the old standard--14" to 16" is a safer height.--



Any of you out there have any other-"oh,why didn't I think about that!"
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One other I see is people forgetting to prewire for under cabinet lights.


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Mike,
Kitchens are my main line of work anymore. I usually go over a check list with the customer before I start the job.

1.) What are you doing with the floors? If tile or anything with an added height over 1/4", I normally want that done first, wall to wall, then set the cabinets on the finish floor.

2.) Additional lighting including undercabinet lights. How do you want them switched, etc.
3.) Are the soffits coming down? If so, I plan on an electrician and a plumber for at least a day each to clean up what's inside them.
4.) What appiances are going in, including size and model numbers if possible.
5.) What kind of sink, size and manufacturer, disposal, insta hots, etc.
6.) Check electical and gas service to where appliances will be located, waterline for icemaker feed, any appliances going in island, etc.
7.) Crown molding including fillers on top of faceframes if needed.
8.) What kind of countertops are going in? stone, laminate, etc.
9.) I check under the sink to see what kind of plumbers nightmares are there and also check for electrical service for dishwasher and disposal.
10.) I normally set up my laser on a tripod to do a quickcheck on how much the floor and ceilings and/or soffits run out.
11.) I also look at access to getting the larger cabinets into the house and if there are any tall cabinets whether or not there is clearance to stand them up.
12.) Note window over the sink centerline and see if it lines up with the cabinet layout.
13.) Look for any other obvious problems. I don't do the cabinet layouts, so I like to do a quick measure and make sure the layout will fit the kitchen.
I try to eliminate surprises, nobody likes them, including me.
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I find the hardest thing about Kitchen remodeling is getting the homeowner to make all the decisions needed before the job starts. Many think, once the cabinets are chosen, their job is done. They never understand, you can't plumb a gas line for a stove unless you know which stove they are picking. They're usually picking the ,"you know, a regular stove".
Bless their pointy little heads.
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Another easy thing to over look is the gas line location and height-------(like Ron said)

The new stoves don't have as much room behind them.so the gas line must be 3 or 4 inches from the floor. I often move it right into the wall and finish off a little boxed in recess.

Mike--I like your idea of bringing in a rotary level to check the floors and ceilings. Good idea.


Ron--Ive run into the same night mare with stoves ,Sure would be nice if all the manufacturers needed the gas line in the same place. That's why I've taken to recessing the gas line into the wall.

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On the other hand speaking of drains, do find that 18" is too low for vessel sinks in a bath?
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Mop in hand--Boy I learned that one the hard way! What do you think is the right height for those?

I did one recently with the drain at 18 and the dang thing took two extensions on the tail piece.

Customer never said any thing--Nice glass top corner sink,too.
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I am thinking more like 24" to 25". I do not remember the height of the last one I did. I believe the bowl sat on a base of 30". However I do remember that it looked to high at the time. The problem is that fads come and go. Setting a drain at this height may not be the best in a future remodel.
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Howdy,MOP---I was not so concerned about a future remodel--How about the times you show up on the job to do the final hook-ups and the customer has changed their mind!!!!
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Good point. (my wife is the worst)

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