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Old 11-22-2010, 09:21 AM   #1
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We are in the process of planning to remodel our kitchen, the two main areas we need to replace, is the floor and the counter tops. Our cabinets are in good shape, made well, at worse case they might need a coat of urathane. My question is this, if we replaced the floor, left the cabinets in place, they would have to cut around the cabinets, is this method acceptable? I'm trying to save some money, but if in the long run, it would be better to remove the cabinets, floor under them, and re install, I wanted some pro's advice.
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What you do depends on the floor you want to install. The dishwasher needs to be at the same level as the new floor so you don't "trap" it in it's location. There might be enough adjustment in the dishwashers legs to slide, maybe 3/4" thick flooring under it. You won't get clearance for tile and the associated subfloor.
You also need to look at the fridge. How much space above it do you have?
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:56 AM   #3
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Floor consists of 1/2" chip board and 1/2" plywood, tile on top, ( I know this was not done right, which is why tiles are cracking) other than the two issues you brought up which I think we can compensate for, is it ok to work around the exsisting cabinets?
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As long as you have the clearances for the appliances and the kick space under the cabinets isn't reduced too much to look inappropriate.
Some times I need to remove the base cabinets so I can get the floor and support in. Especially tile. You can't leave in the base cabinets in and switch to a ceramic tile floor.
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Ron, I have a ceramic floor presently, so I'm confused, my concern is can we remove the exsisting flooring, (tile and first layer plywood) replace plywood and cement board, cut around cabinets without removing them
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Ron, I have a ceramic floor presently, so I'm confused, my concern is can we remove the exsisting flooring, (tile and first layer plywood) replace plywood and cement board, cut around cabinets without removing them
You stated the current ceramic floor failed as it's cracked with loose tiles. It's that way because the substrate was inadequate for the tile. There are a few rtesons for this. The joists could have too much flex, the wood floor was too thin.
What size floor joists do you have and how far do they span without being supported? The subfloor of "1/2" chipboard and 1/2" plywood", as you said was inadequate. Is chipboard OSB?
The floor needs to be stiff with little flex in it. There should be a concrete or backerboard used on top of the exterior plywood.
I don't know how the 1/2" ply was put in. If it was put under the cabinets, you will need to cut it flush with the cabinets to avoid removing the base cabinets. You'll need to replace it with 5/8 or 3/4" ply, glued and screwed down. The cement board will need to be thinsetted and screwed down.
If the joists are undersized, you will need to address that as well or the floor will fail again.
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Thanks Ron, it is a common or uncommon procedure for people to remodel their kitchen with new flooring and counter tops, and leave the exsisitng cabinets in place?
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Thanks Ron, it is a common or uncommon procedure for people to remodel their kitchen with new flooring and counter tops, and leave the exsisitng cabinets in place?
I've redone floors in many kitchens where the cabinets weren't replaced. In some(tile jobs) they were removed and re installed, but the engineered wood floors or the laminates were installed around the in place cabinets as the appliances could be removed without issue of height.
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