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Old 11-13-2007, 02:34 PM   #31
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That's sort of your conundrum, isn't it.

I can understand not showing how you've constructed it, but you need to show how it works. People are not going to take your word about how useful it is, and send you $10 without having any idea of what the thing actually does.

Show how it folds up, how it adjusts, how it stays stable. How light and easy it is to carry around.

Basically, I think you need to show why this is better than a piece of plywood and two folding sawhorses.

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Old 11-13-2007, 02:53 PM   #32
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I with you Hanson. Need to see what it is like. If you look in catalogs, exam: Rockler, they show you a picture of the item but people still pay to buy the plans. Its that simple. All the problems have been worked out for you. I wouldn't pay any thing for an ideal without seeing what it is like.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:13 PM   #33
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Rockler is an established business with long-term reputation. If they are selling a plan, people have a very good reason to believe in its quality. Someone who haven't got Rockler's reputation yet will need to give up more info.

Now that structure might be a marvel of engineering underneath, but supplied picture shows a rather weird and unstable structure. If this is really something special, it needs a better representation.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:21 PM   #34
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People I get you... you are right, the picture is in fact is when the thing in the middle of construction... I am going back home to try to look for a picture when it is done.... which have extra parts... and modify the listings for sure....Thanks.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:13 PM   #35
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I couldn't find another picture (didn't take enough)... need to set it up again on Saturday... and take pictures again.... the Ebay item probably won't sell... well...
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:18 AM   #36
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Hi everyone,

I made 4 steel framed units last 2 nights. and do the load testing again.

the Ebay listing is revised with the picture

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MESE:IT&ih=006


It is 7 sq. feet of surface holding up over 150 lbs of objects.... and it is not to it's limit yet. I couldn't find anything else heavy in the garage to put it on.

The 150 lbs of objects are : 50 lb concrete cement, 2 x 25 lb tile muds, 1 miter saw, 1 drill, 1 router, 1 circular saw, 12 bottle of water,...etc.

is this load satisfy you?

You also see some brace type object in the picture which is part of the design.


Let me know if you have more comment or questions...

Thank You
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:49 AM   #37
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The load is still seating in the garage on the workbench and standing strong. I put over 100 lbs last night on one particalr panel and it doesn't move a bit and hold up.

so I think this experiment should prove load is not an issue... I reluctant keep adding load to it though as everything will have a limit... don't want to break my prototypes... as I still need to use them for other improvements...

I met my neighbour last night and he suggested me a brillant way to solve the problem of linking each panel side by side without using Nuts and Bolts... got to experiment that in my next step....

anyway... please let me know if you have other questions or comments...

I kind of documenting this adventure like the way I document the basement renovation...

and a marketing secret... you can sell an item in Ebay and use it as a web hosting site for your product, costs me only 80 cents for 10 days... rather than spending twenty dollars every month....


OK here comes a market research question you can help me if you want to:

if this thing has no load problem as it demonstrate. and it can be setup without nut and bolt... and it can perform its function as it declare...

Will you buy it...
how much will you pay for it maximum...

honest answers please...

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Old 11-16-2007, 11:06 AM   #38
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http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa178/kui****g/
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:37 PM   #39
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There is a difference between a "live" load and dead weight.
Check with the manufactureres of similar saw horses to understand how they went about defining the load that they advertise there product with.
You could call a lumber yard to find out the equation that determines a legitimate load formula for your horses. Technically, you would be best off having a structural engineer acertain the specific formula based upon the hardware and typical lumber utilized.
Then, at some point in time, you will need to test the load in adverse conditions and note the worst case scenario as the actual load capacity.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:13 PM   #40
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Thank you very much for such information. I will look into this. You know. Reason why I am so persistant about this is really because I figure out this is kind of my interests... finding solution to problem like this... well.. the best is if this thing fly... but even it didn't ... I will have no regret... because I am really enjoy what I am doing... Thanks again...
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:51 PM   #41
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After thinking it a bit....

You may stand on a horse. but you may not be able to stand on a 4x8 wood board supported by two horses..... the thing I am designing is really a workbench not a horse....
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The B&D Workmate will hold 550lbs according to the B&D folks. I'd say you'd need to get into this weight range with similar features.

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