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Old 11-26-2008, 10:43 AM   #16
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Why would you try to insulate a ventetion blind? - that is about the closest thing you can get to vinyl siding.

The effective R-value of the siding is fictitious even if it is tested. To be effective the test would have to be done under real applications and not by just using an ASTM (or other) standard in a way that does not represent the real world conditions. Caulking every horizontal joint would minimize the "venetian blind" effect, but that wouls void all guarantees.

The only real benefit might be increased rigidity if you use thin minimal vinyl material. Vinyl siding is just a cheap siding material that must be nailed lighly and hangs on the structure to shed most of the rain.

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Obviously you are NOT an expert in this field and should really consider conducting a through investigation before posting any comments.
Insulated siding is a proven product with REAL results. Yes, I would agree that for the most part there is an aweful lot of in your words " cheap vinyl sidng" but this is the fault of the consumer, builders, and so on down the chain. Remember that you can NEVER spend a little and get a lot.....

Eliminator XL 29 Glide-Lock insulated siding offers 30% energy savings guarantee, seamless on most homes and the strongest warranty in the industry. This is a real premium gauge panel that has the features and benefits that NO other siding or we should say exterior cladding product can offer.
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:29 PM   #18
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I have served on a number of code committees and bodies and have about 40 years of experience. - This includes running both the "pink" short term "snapshot" static hot box tests run for advertising purposes and the more realistic longer term dynamic tests that do not even include the real exterior effects such as wind and leakage.

I have little time for "paper hangers" that try to sell any sort of real insulating benefits of siding materials. They certainly do nothing for infiltration considering the installation details and requirements and allow for the dramatic movement common.

I do enjoy the income from investigating the mold and moisture problems created by the real world weather conditions. - Usually it only takes 2 to 4 probes with my moisture meter since it must be assumed (and is proven) that loose siding material do not hinder moisture or insulate to any measureable degree in real life or in place test performance. - It is a shame that they advertise to the public without any documentation other than a material property that usually does not perform as installed.

Terms like "30% savings" and guaranteed are really meaningless. #0% of what? and what is a guarantee of strength worth?. By its nature, vinyl will ALWAYS expand and contract or else it will not work and look as good as advertised.

With only 3 posts and no information on your bio and experience it becomes difficult to understand the credibility and the use of the word "obviously" unless it is only obvious to you. - I have over 4,000 posts on some forums.

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Obviously you are NOT an expert in this field and should really consider conducting a through investigation before posting any comments.
Insulated siding is a proven product with REAL results. Yes, I would agree that for the most part there is an aweful lot of in your words " cheap vinyl sidng" but this is the fault of the consumer, builders, and so on down the chain. Remember that you can NEVER spend a little and get a lot.....

Eliminator XL 29 Glide-Lock insulated siding offers 30% energy savings guarantee, seamless on most homes and the strongest warranty in the industry. This is a real premium gauge panel that has the features and benefits that NO other siding or we should say exterior cladding product can offer.
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Dick I have to agree with you.
I tell my customers when they ask what would the R- Value be from the siding and insulation, My answer is Around R2-R3 that's it.and that's with the sheets installed over the house wrap. My opinion about the insulation molded to the back of the siding, Its a very good backer for the siding giving it some added protection from knocks and impacts. There saying A 30% savings??? some ones smoking crack!!! BOB

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Dick I have to agree with you.
I tell my customers when they ask what would the R- Value be from the siding and insulation, My answer is Around R2-R3 that's it.and that's with the sheets installed over the house wrap. My opinion about the insulation molded to the back of the siding, Its a very good backer for the siding giving it some added protection from knocks and impacts. There saying A 30% savings??? some ones smoking crack!!! BOB
Well Bob and Dick, I am very sorry that you are living in the 80's regarding old technology. The technology today is far more advanced than you are speaking of. I do consultation and real live product training seminars and one on ones for customers who are interested in using these products. If either are you are interested in learning the real facts of insulated siding. The pink, blue and all other XPS insulation products you are referring to are in deed worthless in many ways. NON approved perm ratings, NO warranty, R value decreases over the life of the product and does NOTHING for the consumer. This is a product used by uneducated and subquality contractors. EPS products allow the home to breathe, hold their R-values, lifetime warranty, and much higher real life R-values. The 30% energy savings guarantee is not only tested and confirmed, but real life feedback from the consumers (homeowners) whom have calculations to prove it.
And in reference to the seams on the siding, most homes remodeled using our siding products are seamless, and if there are any seams they are not at the same location where the insulation joins together.
There are a lot of smoking mirror products on the market today, this is NOT one of them. I strongly suggest that both of you do more of your homework and learn the facts before broadcasting false information. Do either one of you know that this siding product NOT only offers the 30% energy savings guarantee but is 29 feet in length therefore eliminating most if not all seams.

Bob, I would be more than happy to meet with you on a day when I am home on the island to discuss this further.
Our siding products are NONE like any others on the market, seeing is believing !!

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Michael - Congratulations on getting to 4 posts!!! - Very often, people get banned earlier for blatent advertising what they sell instead of providing constructive assistance.

the last national code/standard I voted on as a professional was 2 months ago.
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[quote=swwp;190613]Well Bob and Dick, I am very sorry that you are living in the 80's regarding old technology. The technology today is far more advanced than you are speaking of.
I,m Speaking of.? your the one pushing your product, You show a siding job that was done with some other brand, and state it was poorly installed, you show a job where the siding is bowed and came unlocked. then you state this will not happen with your product. ITS NOT THE PRODUCT THAT CAUSED THAT TO HAPPEN ITS THE INSTALL. I don't care how good the product is, it all boils down to the preparation and the install. if there is a significant bow in a house wall your product will take the shape of that bow period!. unless you did something to address this. the biggest down side to the vinyl siding that I personally don't like is its burning characteristic's. If the house was to burn and you had vinyl on the outside you just increased the time that the house will burn to the ground, its like putting gas on a fire. plus all the toxic fumes that it releases into the air,. natural wood or brick siding is what I prefer.
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You and I should speak more on how you can be a positive enforcement of the siding insulation codes in Minnesota. I know when I first became familiar with this eps product I was somewhat skeptical as well. But as I most always do, I conducted a through investigation into this and became a firm believer. Today the EPS product is the ONLY insulation products we stock and sell.
Maybe someday we could meet up and you will be able to make a good educated decision on how awesome and beneficial this product truly is. After all you seem to be an educated man, and working with local building codes this will be beneficial in making good decisions regarding insulation products.
My personal opinion is that if the code enforcement officers became more educated and experts in these areas, they would BAN all other foam board insulation products on side walls. Look up and see how many mold issues we have over the past 15 years or so. Now ask why ??? Because the siding contractors wrapping homes in insulation board that is NON breathable creating mold issues.
Remember EPS is breathable and XPS is a retarder and or barrier.
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I'm also planning a re-siding project and I'm looking for a good contractor, I noticed someone mentioned Angies list on the thread, I'm wondering how people's experiences with them has been. I've read some good reviews on angies list but i know there are free alternatives, so is it really worth it?
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On Angie's list you just may get contractors/salesmen that just do a good enough job to avoid problems. You will definitely get aggressive pricing. You said you are interested in getting a good contractor, so look to friends and neighbors for references with experience dealing with siding contractors.
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