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Paul8434 06-20-2011 03:03 PM

Hardi-Board in a three sided shower, not laying flush
 
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Hi All,

I am at the stage of laying up my drywall and am having some issues with the cement board not laying flat.


Background
  • The wall in question was framed on 24" centers.
  • non load bearing, interior wall
The issue
The board is sitting proud by 1/16" between studs as shown below


In hindsight i should have added some additional studs to bring the wall to conformance.

Should I
  1. Remove the top and bottom boards and re-stud vertically
  2. Remove the top board only and add a horizontal nailing suface
  3. try and blend it together with thinset and tape.
Lastly i am tiling with 12x24" tiles and believe the choice of tile will add complexity.

Paul

Bud Cline 06-20-2011 03:08 PM

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In hindsight i should have added some additional studs to bring the wall to conformance.
Hindsight is always 20/20.:)

Cement board is not rated for 24" centers as far as I know. As you can see why. The wall must be flat and flat begins with the studs and the stud spacing.:)

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Lastly i am tiling with 12x24" tiles and believe the choice of tile will add complexity.

You have no idea how right you are.:)

The studs need to be 16" on center.

Paul8434 06-20-2011 05:29 PM

Hi Bud,

I think I knew the answer prior to posting.

To re-frame the wall will be interesting as i have 2x10 between the studs limiting my access to the sill board. Not to mention the completed pan.

Removing the cement board is not an issue.

Does You/anyone think i will be somewhat succesful studding horizontally to create a nailing edge? and avoid the above mentioned problems.

Lastly how much imperfection can i mask with thinset and tape when i seal the seams?

Paul

Bud Cline 06-20-2011 05:34 PM

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Does You/anyone think i will be somewhat succesful studding horizontally to create a nailing edge?
Don't see why you can't fir it out as long as you hold your spacing to not more than 16" and be sure to backup that seam with a strip.

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Lastly how much imperfection can i mask with thinset and tape when i seal the seams?
Shouldn't have any imperfections to "mask". If your substrate isn't flat my friend you are just moving your problems up a notch. The bigger the tile the flatter the substrate must be.:yes:

Paul8434 06-20-2011 06:26 PM

Hi Bud,

Not sure if i understand "fir it out". Can you explain further.

Secondly, I am guessing i am going to have additional problems.

The cement board is meeting existing drywall that was 1/2". The cement board was .3/8" (much to my dismay as the retailer had it listed as 1/2".)

Anyways i shimmed it out with 1/8" shims to bring it to level with the existing drywall.

I was planning on extending the tiles, past the new cement board and onto the existing board, and figured that i would be able to feather out the difference when mudding.

Hence my earlier question on how much imperfection can i mask with thinset/mortar and tape when i seal the joints?

Seeing your earlier answer i may be removing my cement board and starting over.
Paul

Bud Cline 06-20-2011 07:05 PM

Sorry!:)

To "fir out" is to place strips of wood on top of other strips of wood in this case the studs. The studs are installed vertical. The firring strips would be installed perpendicular/horizontal to the studs and spaced every 16" on center. Making sure that the seam/juncture of the lower cement board and upper cement board have substantial firring behind it. This may require two firring strips at the seam/juncture location if using 1X2 firring.

Cement board is typically 1/2" in thickness but the quality control isn't that good these days. Fiber cement board is typically 7/16" thick even though they call it 1/2" also. Go figure.

Yes you can feather the cement board/drywall juncture but use thinset to do so. Probably shouldn't shim the drywall and create a curve you don't want. Filling it later is better in my thinking.:)

I would install the seam tape over the seams and wait until I was spreading the thinset to set the tile to fill the seams at that time. The cement board/drywall juncture may require a little advance fill.:)


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