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Old 01-17-2013, 10:37 PM   #16
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Good pic, I think that was common in the 50's, not in 1915.
The plug up high was so you could hang a clock and plug it in.
So this is telling me that either rewired around that time, or may be an addition that was added later.
Or 100 other things that could have been done in 100 years.
What you want is a header above the new door, and should be one above that window now.
I would build the header out of 2'x12' and as you see with the outlet , the header is much higher or inadequate. ... But needs a new header anyways for the new door.

So the pic is already showing just a little funky going on, and is no way to tell what you need to do without exposing the framing. see what they did in the past, what is needed for repairs now.

Hard to say when that part of the house was built, or what codes they followed.
If not plaster or drywall, you still need to expose the framing .... rip it out!

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Right in the middle of the house?
What's above that wall?

I've found dead animals, missing or no insulation, doors and windows that were just covered over instead of being removed, termite and powder post beetles damage, wire connections with no juntion boxes, studs that did not run all the way to the top of the wall, while working on old houses.

If the whole house only has two hole outlets that can mean none of them are grounded.
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With the french doors, is exterior wall and we know is a bearing wall.
With the other wall, can not tell from photo if it is bearing or not.
And would require someone that knows on site to inspect.
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Yeah that's what I figured. The guy that owned the house before I think did everything as cheap as possible. As you can see in the pic he ran the duct work up through the kitchen/dining room wall and just built a weird box around it! I guess I can just rip it down on one side and see if it is or not!! Can I just put a beam up if it is and make that work?? Plan was to tear it down and put an island/breakfast bar there!!!
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Right in the middle of the house?
What's above that wall?

I've found dead animals, missing or no insulation, doors and windows that were just covered over instead of being removed, termite and powder post beetles damage, wire connections with no juntion boxes, studs that did not run all the way to the top of the wall, while working on old houses.

If the whole house only has two hole outlets that can mean none of them are grounded.
The wall I want to take out is not the middle it's 8' from the very far west side wall, above it is part of the up stairs bathroom and a bedroom!
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First thing to determine, Is it a bearing wall?
Will need to look at the roof and if have attic access, see what is sitting on that wall.

For fun, we pretend that wall is load bearing.
You build a temp wall on each side of existing wall, you remove existing wall, you cut back the ceiling at least 12" on each side of old wall to expose the existing framing.
A bearing wall will have sistered joist running across it.

Build your header and stuff it up in the attic, cut the joist back and install hangers and let the joist rest on the hangers that are attached to new beam ... Is really a simplified description and not useful, just pointing out how all things can be fixed, and until you open it up, we have no clue.
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First thing to determine, Is it a bearing wall?
Will need to look at the roof and if have attic access, see what is sitting on that wall.

For fun, we pretend that wall is load bearing.
You build a temp wall on each side of existing wall, you remove existing wall, you cut back the ceiling at least 12" on each side of old wall to expose the existing framing.
A bearing wall will have sistered joist running across it.

Build your header and stuff it up in the attic, cut the joist back and install hangers and let the joist rest on the hangers that are attached to new beam ... Is really a simplified description and not useful, just pointing out how all things can be fixed, and until you open it up, we have no clue.
Ok we'll just to know how beginner I am this completely lost me! Can I not tell if its a bearing wall just by knocking one side out?? Probably a dumb question but just want make it as painless as possible! The wall itself is 10'5" with the opening leading into the kitchen, like I said above is the bathroom and bedroom but really no wall right above it!!

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