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Old 01-14-2012, 08:55 PM   #1
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I decided to convert a patio room a band rehearsal room.

Once I put up some drywall I was left with a real problem and maybe one of you folks knowledgeable in construction can help me.

I removed the drop ceiling to find there are no ceiling joists - instead there is just a metal roof!

Now I am left with a problem because there are no load-bearing beams to support my ceiling. To make things harder, I plan to double drywall the ceiling to help keep noise in as to not bother any neighbors.

I thought using steel track/studs would be the easiest. Basically screwing into the 2x4 studs that exist on the 3 walls (2 connecting to the formal house and 1 connecting to the exterior doored wall) and the partition wall.

The guy at the home improvement store said that my main problem isn't as much strengthening the ceiling studs meeting the tracks, but the problem is more with the center of the ceiling bowing.

Should I build an entirely new frame and drywall over the new frame or do I have an alternative?

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You keep saying "ceiling studs", confusing me. If you mean joists, what's the problem spanning 2x6's 10 feet?

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Not going to do any good sound proofing the ceiling if the walls are not done.
And 2 layers of sheetrock will not do much to stop sound trasmition.
Google "sound proofing" for more info.
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What do you plan on doing out there, if you are afraid that your neighbors are going to be disturbed? I can of course think of quite a few things, and who cares what the neighbors think.
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Use acoustic batt insulation between the studs. It is installed in almost the same way as regular insulation by stapling it into place and then cover with drywall.

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You keep saying "ceiling studs", confusing me. If you mean joists, what's the problem spanning 2x6's 10 feet?
No problem except they would have to span 13 feet from the rear wall to the front wall (where the door is). The person at the store said that the middle of the ceiling would bow because the middle of it, say around 6.5 would need extra support. I thought as long as I sister it to the walls it would help with support. He disagreed. Is he wrong?
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Not going to do any good sound proofing the ceiling if the walls are not done.
And 2 layers of sheetrock will not do much to stop sound trasmition.
Google "sound proofing" for more info.
I'm using quietrock es all around.
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What do you plan on doing out there, if you are afraid that your neighbors are going to be disturbed? I can of course think of quite a few things, and who cares what the neighbors think.
There's a bedroom right next door so I have to care.
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Use acoustic batt insulation between the studs. It is installed in almost the same way as regular insulation by stapling it into place and then cover with drywall.

That would be great but I still need mass on top for better soundproofing. Even just having a good looking ceiling would be better at this point but I really want to have my initial intention realized (drywall ceiling)
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There's a bedroom right next door so I have to care.
Unless you are going to be cranking up music, playing instruments, yelling and screaming out there, just insulate and finish as normal. Let the neighbors worry about their place. If they are upset about the noise from you working on this place, or once it is finished, there are other problems that have been there a lot longer.
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The poster wants to use the room to house a band rehearsal---

Must be a well sound proofed structure---
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The poster wants to use the room to house a band rehearsal---

Must be a well sound proofed structure---
It would have to be a box inside a box to be totally soundproofed. They are better un renting space, than using a home in a residential area, due to sound travels, regardless what they do.
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I agree---I know someone in Chicago that bought an old store front building---Diced it up into rental studios and lived in the second floor---

They did real well with that--very good idea---lots of customers.
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Mike, sounds like they did it all properly, permit, etc.

I suggest you get a permit also, Dennis. The new living space needs a lot of work: the concrete patio slab (no vapor barrier underneath, once enclosed the moisture will effect the instruments, furnishings, drywall, space) built walls on a probably 4" thick perimeter-edged slab, no insulation?, add new wiring?, heat/ventilation? all should be your concerns.

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put back the ceiling grid, wrap wires tight at level. and hang drywall from ceiling grid, stuff insulation above as much as possible? but do not pack it in! it needs to be loose to absorb any sound

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