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Old 01-14-2012, 08:09 PM   #1
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I'm about to enlarge the opening to my living room by about 18", but before I do so I wanted to do a quick sanity check. The existing opening does not have a header, it is just framed with cripple studs. This means that the wall is not load bearing, correct?

I think the ceiling joists run parallel to the wall, but I will double-check.

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How about a picture, I've never seen a nonbearing outside wall.

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Sorry if I was unclear. This is an interior wall. It's the entrance to my living room off of the hallway.
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The existing opening does not have a header, it is just framed with cripple studs. This means that the wall is not load bearing, correct?
Not necessarily. The load supports could be in the wall to each side.

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TRIPLE check.

Don't forget to check for HVAC and electric etc too
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I'm about to enlarge the opening to my living room by about 18", but before I do so I wanted to do a quick sanity check. The existing opening does not have a header, it is just framed with cripple studs. This means that the wall is not load bearing, correct?

I think the ceiling joists run parallel to the wall, but I will double-check.

Thanks,
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Don't you mean 18 feet? 18 inches is not worth the hassle.
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TRIPLE check.

Don't forget to check for HVAC and electric etc too
And if the joists do in fact run parallel to the wall then I'm all set?

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Don't you mean 18 feet? 18 inches is not worth the hassle.
No, just 18 inches.
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cumak, it is not even worth the effort, to get that little extra.
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If OP is trying to get a wheel chair through the door it would be.
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And if the joists do in fact run parallel to the wall then I'm all set (to assume that the wall is NOT load bearing?
Probably so. But I'm not there to see.
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If OP is trying to get a wheel chair through the door it would be.
There is no way of telling, due to this information is not there. The smallest entrance you can get a wheel chair through is 32", 36" is just the standard for ADA, but not necessary in a home. My front door is 36", most are 34", which is just enough.

There really is not enough info as to why they want to only go eighteen inches, and from the fact, that they did not state that it was a doorway, but a entrance to a room, which I am taking is just from another room, not from the outside.
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How about a picture, I've never seen a nonbearing outside wall.
How about every gable ever built.
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How about every gable ever built.
Usually true but not always. One example wood be a balloon framed gable. Or if for some reason 2nd floor joists are running perpendicular to the gable, not usually but in renovations and old houses weird things happen.
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No, this isn't an ADA thing or anything like that. It's purely aesthetic. But, I already have to repair drywall and paint the room, and put down new flooring, so enlarging the opening really isn't that much additional work. It's hard to explain, but the extra 18" will give the room a much more open feel and bring natural light into the hall.

I think I'm going to do it based on this:

- The house is a colonial style
- The main support beam for the floor above, as expected, runs along the middle of the house in the same direction as the ridge line of the roof.
- The wall in question is perpendicular to this beam. Same as the ceiling joists.
- The original builder did not put a header above the existing wall opening, and after 40 years the wall is still in good shape.

I know nobody can say with 100% certainty without seeing plans, but this really seems to be a non bearing wall.
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How about every gable ever built.
Wow!...gotta love the internet. That is not true at all. Obviously you haven't done much framing to say that. This is a perfect example of false and dangerous information.
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There are so many scenarios that could make that a bearing wall that nobody should assume it is not.

Even if the joists run one direction in one room, they could easily change direction in the next, due to a number of circumstances. The fact that there is not a dropped header in the wall does not mean there is not a flush header above the plates. There could be a flush header with a single point load bearing on the center of it and removing structure from one side or the other could create problems.

Assumptions should never be made without thorough investigation of field conditions.

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