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Old 05-01-2008, 10:02 PM   #46
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I am currently doing 2 bathroom remodels in the same house. The first drywall company charged me 650 bucks to hang and finish an 8x10 bathroom(I didn't shop price but was giving a new and young company a chance). After they were done I paid another guy 90 bucks to do another coat to try to fix it. After that I sanded it and did one more coat myself.
It still has issues which I can't really correct.(I spent hours shimming the framing perfect at critical areas, but they still have humps and curves in them)


On the next bathroom which is about the same size I am happily paying $1150 to a guy whose work I have seen and it is top notch.

You get what you pay for.
I don't even think you get what you pay for at times. I think the good workers will charge higher prices, but a high price doesn't mean good work either.

I'm sorry to hear you had to deal with the same crap. I think new companies just don't hvae that experience and definitely wont' take the proper time to work slower to do it right (since less experience means you need to take more time to get it right).

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Old 05-02-2008, 02:34 AM   #47
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I don't even think you get what you pay for at times. I think the good workers will charge higher prices, but a high price doesn't mean good work either...
Firehawk,

I understand your frustration with your one, single experience. I am sorry that it was so unpleasant.

But, I need to say this - Good workers don't need to charge higher prices, because they do it quicker..... much, much quicker, than hacks, rookies, or even semi-experienced drywallers.

We consistently come in at the mid-range with our pricing. We tend to be the "middle guy". We consider ourselves experts on drywall, and can offer level 5 finishes on work that requires it. We have done every type of drywall project that exists, in every possible environment you can imagine (yes, even outside). You cannot see seams when our workers are done. We go thru with a bright halogen light during the sanding process, and also "after" the sanding process. If I am assigned to check a drywall job, I bring my own light, & go thru every single square inch of the walls and ceilings. The point: our pricing is in the middle.


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...I'm sorry to hear you had to deal with the same crap. I think new companies just don't hvae that experience and definitely wont' take the proper time to work slower to do it right (since less experience means you need to take more time to get it right).
When it comes to drywall taping & coating, working slow, or slower, simply does not equate to a better job. It's Skill and experience ....that does.
It's a fact: If you don't have the skill and the experience, when put under close inspection, the work will not yield professional results.

Alot of people don't realize that hanging sheetrock takes skill and intelligence, so as to: Find warped studs and correct them, place seams in the "right" locations, among other factors.
As far as speed goes: One good and experienced hanger can hang 30 to 40 twelve-foot sheets a day, on a new construction job.

Taping and coating sheetrock takes far more skill. I feel, it is an art form. It takes many, many years of taping (and working with the worst framing and remodeling jobs) to get truly good at every aspect of taping. IMHO-It takes over 10 years fulltime experience, with ALOT of remodeling-work (not just new construction), to really become an expert at it. Not all tapers, and not all drywall companies offer that.

(FWIW: An expert can look at the work of a novice, or someone with even mid-range drywall experience (even 10 years after it was done), and can immediately see the skill level of the person who did it)

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Old 05-02-2008, 02:56 PM   #48
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I believe you. I guess my point is that there's really no way, shy of physically gonig to see their other works (which someone did suggest to me to do before i hired them), you really wouldn 't ever know. And i'd only know what to look for because I pay attention to detail. The average homeowner may hvae no idea other than seeing the obvious. Youknow what i mean?

Oh well. Lots of hacks exist in this world, that's for sure.
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Well I may eat a little crow, but here's what happened:

I went with the guy I planned to go with. The contract was for drywall hang and finish walls/ceiling, prime 1 coat, (I paint), then they install padding/carpet. 2900. The carpet was berber. The square footage of the drywall hung was ~1600 sq foot including ceiling. I think ti was more like 1700-1750 with soffits, etc. Now keep in mind, I know some things about drywall, but I'm no pro and I only know what I know from asking around and looking it up online.

Anyways, They told me 2 weeks to complete the project. I am in week 6 now and they never finished. Here's the story:

I said "you couldn't cut a piece of cardboard and block it when you were spraying? Give me a break".

I have this all documented in email as well. They email me this long apologetic letter and give me the choice to opt out of the contract and not pay any more than I paid up front (which I paid half).

So essentially I got the drywall hung/mudded, primed, padding and tack strips for 1450 bucks.

And they had to lose a ton of money on my job as they were 1 hour or so away from me, so all that gas over 5 weeks time adds up.


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So do you have the original contract you can share? I would like to see the terms and conditions. My guess is since you talked them down in price they did it as a side job to keep the guys working, but fit it in around their more profitable jobs. IT obviously didn't have the oversight from the company or the GC (YOU) to insure a correct job.

The gas they spent is meaningless to you . It doesn't make any part of your job better and is just a rationalization to make you feel better.

Putting the the cardboard to stop the wires from being painted is YOUR job as you are the GC on this.

An as the GC on this, you should have never let the job progress before correcting the mistakes you noted. Also, I would do the tear outs and patches now before the carpeting comes in. It will be much faster and cleaner and better for your carpet to do it now. Even if you do it yourself.
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*SLOW CLAP*

This thread is really a great read. There's a lot of information here. I really enjoyed reading it and am very glad I clicked on it. (Even though it didn't display a lot of hard pricing info - I understand why no one ever really wants to respond to that question on a forum like this)

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I need help.
I hung the rock in my 12 x 14 room...8' ceiling and taped most of it now my neighbors work for a construction company and turned me onto a guy that had the whole job done in 4 hours (no texturing).
What should he charge (approx) ?
He wants $715.00
I thought that 200 would be fair
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I think the rule of this thread is: sure you can have it perfect and flawless, as well as cheap. Just pick one.
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No $200 is not fair. Whatever you agreed to pay him before hand in fair. We can't see how crappy a job you did hanging and how many joints there are compared to if a pro did it, so we can't tell you. The minimum I would charge is $425.00 and probably more once I saw the site conditions.
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I agree you get what you pay for. If you think your going to save a few bucks you will learn the hard way. You can't expect a company to work for pennies. Illegals aren't the way to go and if your getting dirt cheap prices they will do shanty work and you will have to get someone come in and fix there work later. If you ad insurance and the many other things a business owner has to ad up then you see. If you want quality work you have to pay quality price, not saying the higher price is right. Get a few other quotes, check there references if they have them. General contractor's or the one's that hire illegals are the one's who don't even know how to do the work and are the reason many home owners end up unhappy and I've saw it a million times.


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So do you have the original contract you can share? I would like to see the terms and conditions. My guess is since you talked them down in price they did it as a side job to keep the guys working, but fit it in around their more profitable jobs. IT obviously didn't have the oversight from the company or the GC (YOU) to insure a correct job.

The gas they spent is meaningless to you . It doesn't make any part of your job better and is just a rationalization to make you feel better.

Putting the the cardboard to stop the wires from being painted is YOUR job as you are the GC on this.

An as the GC on this, you should have never let the job progress before correcting the mistakes you noted. Also, I would do the tear outs and patches now before the carpeting comes in. It will be much faster and cleaner and better for your carpet to do it now. Even if you do it yourself.
I never checked back on this thread until recently when someone asked another question, and when I read this post, it didn't sit with me very well. Not all the points, but one point in particular, and I have been stewing on whether or not to say something. But, on behalf of customers, I think I'm going to.

You have to be outside of your MIND if you really think it was my fault that they spray painted over the plugs as well as the lights. I'm one of the most honest, up front people you will ever meet, and I will accept the fact that I should not have had plugs in there to begin with, and maybe not even lights. Maybe I should have told them to bring their spot lights down there to work with lol. That would have made more sense I guess. I installed recessed lighting and there were bulbs in them, you know, so they could SEE what they were doing. The thing that is unsettling with me the most is that you are excusing the fact that the pros, the ones that do this for their living, didn't stop for a second and recognize that the plugs were in the wall and say something to me like "hey, do you want to make cardboard cutouts or take your plugs out because we are going to spray the walls", or "hey, do you want to remove the light bulbs while we spray the ceiling"?

While it seems like something I obviously should have seen in hindsight, I am not the pro. I don't do that work for a living. I'm not used to running into all kinds of situations. As a business, if I hired you, and you gave me some lame excuse like that, I would fire you on the spot, and that's ultimately what I did with these people. I fired them. Maybe not soon enough, but i fired them anyway. As a business, you have to have some integrity. It's not about having blinders on. I'm sorry, but this really irritates me to read a comment like that. Customers that will recommend you are ones that do a good job, are honest, and care about their work.

I don't know if I posted this back then, but on one wall I had furr stripped to the concrete for drywall to be installed, and they used 1 3/4" long screws. Well, there was only 1 1/8" of material (I believe fur strips are 5/8" and drywall 1/2" so 1 1/8) so guess what happened? They hit the concrete with their screws, which pulled the fur strips off the wall, and then when they brought it to my attention tried to tell me it was my fault because I shoulda used 2x4. I asked them how long the screws were they were using. They said 1 3/4". I explained that the material was only 1 1/8" (as they could clearly see if they paid attention). I explained that given the application and space I COULD NOT have used 2x4s. It would not have looked right. So, when I explained to them that using a shorter screw would have been the thing to do for the job, they ignored me and continued to repeat themselves.

Sorry, but I don't accept passing blame when it's obviously your fault.

And back to my original reason for this lengthy rant, if you run a business, even if you do nice work, but do them with blinders on, well, you're the pro, and in my view much is expected out of you to guide me and make sure the job turns out nice. Not blindly spray paint everything in sight. That's just ridiculous. As a paying customer, I am expecting you to do what I ask but don't do obviously dumb stuff or do things incorrectly.

I don't mean to jump down this guy's throat, but that really got me stewing. Now I feel better.

It was a learning experience, one that reiterates that if you want something done right, you do it yourself.
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Yes, or pay the money for a more professional outfit, who will do a written contract with all this stuff (like masking lighting and windows) outlined in a scope of work, signed by both parties, as well as a written guarantee. However since these companies have been around for awhile, they know what to charge to stay in business, which is usually more than their cheaper competitor.

Just like what you can expect from anything else in life-You get what you pay for, cheap prices will get you a cheap job, talking people down in price will get you an even cheaper job (I would never trust a contractor who lowered their price on demand, a price should be a determined amount that it will take to get the job done...)

Sounds like a frustrating situation, better luck next time. There are a lot of people who are very capable of "getting the job done right"

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Yes, or pay the money for a more professional outfit, who will do a written contract with all this stuff (like masking lighting and windows) outlined in a scope of work, signed by both parties, as well as a written guarantee. However since these companies have been around for awhile, they know what to charge to stay in business, which is usually more than their cheaper competitor.

Just like what you can expect from anything else in life-You get what you pay for, cheap prices will get you a cheap job, talking people down in price will get you an even cheaper job (I would never trust a contractor who lowered their price on demand, a price should be a determined amount that it will take to get the job done...)

Sounds like a frustrating situation, better luck next time. There are a lot of people who are very capable of "getting the job done right"
Hi Chris,

You are right. THere are some people who can get the job done well and conduct themselves with great integrity, and have common sense about them, etc. I just didn't hire one of them.

Also, the price doesn't always equal good results, even if I had gone with the highest bidder. But yes, I get your point. This was the first time I had ever contracted something out, and I should have just done it myself.

In this case, I guess I should not have assumed, but I actually thought they'd be rolling the paint on. But again, I didn't think anything of having the plugs already in. I'm sorry, but I just will not accept that the painter shouldn't have at least told me he was gonna spray all the plugs and such. Seems logical, and sensible, that he could have said something to me before he started. There wasn't anything else to mask off besides the lights and the plugs in the room. No windows or anything...well, there was a solid core door that they apparently did avoid getting paint on as there wasn't any on it. I guess they get credit for that one.

I'm not trying to start a huge argument, I guess I will just agree to disagree. But it had to be said. I was a homeowner, not a contractor, nor did I have experience hiring contractors on any kind of regular basis. I feel it's the hired person's obligation to warn me of something like that. This is my opinion, and again, why I don't trust anybody.

There may be some very legit people out there, but I think the vast majority are not, and are looking to get paid and move on as fast as possible. Workmanship in recent history is secondary to getting paid. This goes for most professions.

I still think that kgphoto, if he would have been that painter, would have at least warned the homeowner before spraying over plugs. It's just logical to do so. Nobody is perfect and people miss things. But to blindly spray over plugs and lights is an unreasonable thing to do.
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I understand your point.


The folks you hired definitely don't sound like pros. They sound like guys doing a side job, and/or guys used to being hired by builders to do new cheap spec homes, where profit and speed come first over quality.

I can't imagine doing business like that, and trying to survive in a reputation based business.

Anyways, don't want to argue or go back and fourth, just making a point that in my experience there companies who will "manage" your job: communicate with you, make sure everything is done properly and your home is protected, there will be a price difference between them and their cheaper competitors. Those who usually just "do the work" often not very well, and won't take the extra steps that the other company includes in their higher price, such as cleanup or taking some extra time for dust protection or masking items off.
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Well, I think I am the only female participating in this thread. I'm looking at purchasing a 7 year old foreclosed home that will need some work done to fix it up. I will have to hire a contractor to do the work and wanted to educate myself on items I want to have done so I can ask constructive questions before hand and be proactive as I don't want to be reactive (coming back and fixing something that wasn't done right the first time.)

I appreciate all of the comments and thoughts shared in this thread. I've learned some things to look for as far as a contract, experience level, materials, and how to check on their reputation (outside of the references they provide.)

Thumbs up gentlemen

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