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Old 03-14-2008, 03:00 AM   #16
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I will. I will keep posted. Still have 2 more estimates coming...

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Old 03-14-2008, 06:37 AM   #17
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Based on the SF. We'd price doing it in the $2K Range ($1800 to $2200). Dependant on the details (Number of corners, soffits, more difficult areas).
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Based on the SF. We'd price doing it in the $2K Range ($1800 to $2200). Dependant on the details (Number of corners, soffits, more difficult areas).
Here's the offers I got (6 estimates)

1. drywall hang/finish w/primer $1800
2. drywall hang/finish w/primer $1800 (was 2900 but he matched my best offer, how you go from 2900 down to 1800 don't know, but I don't trust him)
3. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2500
4. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2700 (this guy not licensed or insured)
5. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2800
6. drywall hang/finish w/primer $3300 not including materials (this guy was a joke. Came in, looked around, didn't even measure, told me he'd let me know. Calls me and says 3300 for labor only. I just hung up. The heck was that? 5 of the 6 are licensed and insured.

I checked references with number 1 and everybody said the same, "can't beat their pricing, their work is awesome, they clean up, and they ensure you are happy with what they're doing every step of the way"...

So I was going to need carpeting anyways, and the first offer there does carpeting too, so going to see if I can get an even better deal by having it all done through them.

When I started getting offers, I was hoping to pay no more than 2k for this job, so I'm happy, as long as the work is professional looking. We'll see. I will post up some before/after pics.

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Here's the offers I got (6 estimates)

1. drywall hang/finish w/primer $1800
2. drywall hang/finish w/primer $1800 (was 2900 but he matched my best offer, how you go from 2900 down to 1800 don't know, but I don't trust him)
3. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2500
4. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2700 (this guy not licensed or insured)
5. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2800
6. drywall hang/finish w/primer $3300 not including materials (this guy was a joke. Came in, looked around, didn't even measure, told me he'd let me know. Calls me and says 3300 for labor only. I just hung up. The heck was that? 5 of the 6 are licensed and insured..
Maybe after spending a little time with you, # 6 realized just how anal you are ( your words ) and figured if he quoted any less he would be losing money by job end. he's probably the smartest of the bunch!!
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Maybe after spending a little time with you, # 6 realized just how anal you are ( your words ) and figured if he quoted any less he would be losing money by job end. he's probably the smartest of the bunch!!
Probably...of course if he can't find his own flaws without me having to find them first, he probably shouldn't be in the business in the first place...
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Here's the offers I got (6 estimates)

1. drywall hang/finish w/primer $1800
2. drywall hang/finish w/primer $1800 (was 2900 but he matched my best offer, how you go from 2900 down to 1800 don't know, but I don't trust him)
3. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2500
4. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2700 (this guy not licensed or insured)
5. drywall hang/finish w/primer $2800
6. drywall hang/finish w/primer $3300 not including materials .

I think it's funny that you ended up choosing the low bidder who was doing the job for the price "you think it should be" rather than one of the guys whose prices were all within about 10% difference from each other. Most people & companies will "disqualify" the low bid when there is such a large spread between the low bidder and the second lowest bidder.

Dosen't it make you wonder why (or how) he can do the job for 25% OR MORE lower than everyone else who gave you a price?

You laughed at #6 and called him a joke for being so much higher, but you are giving the job to #1 who was about the same percentage lower than everyone else.

I hope it works out for you, but after reading your posts through this whole thread I think you are setting yourself up for dissapointment

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My buddy had someone do his whole A-frame for 3000 including mateials, which was 3200sqft of drywall, and priming. It looks great. Was he lucky? Perhaps.

Having said that, references checked out with #1. What more can I do? Pay someone more simply because the price seems too low? I mean, I think I'd be just as concerned, if not more, if I was hiring the highest bidder, wouldn't you? Just because they are charging more or are in the middle of the pack, that's supposed to squelch my concerns? Besides, most contractors want half up fromt and half after the job right? The job doesn't look right, the contractor doesn't get paid.

I mean I see your points, and i've thought about all of them most definitely, and I am definitely concerned. And yes, I didn't expect to pay over 2000 for this job, otherwise I was taking it on myself. That was my cutoff. It's how I assessed my time. I felt that under 2000 bucks was not worth my effort to attempt the drywall project.

But again, I'd be just as if not more concerned if I was paying $3,000 for the job.

And yeah, I think it's a joke that the guy walked in, DIDN'T BOTHER MEASURING, and then asked for 1200+ more than my highest estimate at the time. Yes I think that's a joke.

And I'm also in one of the worst economical places in the country right now (Michigan) where I'm trying to take advantage of the situation by getting a lower estimate. I don't have the money to pay out extra simply because that's what the average is. Now I understand what you are saying, it's best to play the numbers and pick someone in the middle to lower your risk. But again, I called references, I checked them out as best I could. What more can I do? It's a gamble even if I hired someone for 10 grand to come in here.

If it turns out the job looks like crap by the end, then I guess i get to eat crow. But it could turn out like crap by one of the middle bidders, too.

Edit: One thing I did forget to mention, but just now thought of, was initially #1 bidded 1500 just to drywall it and sand, then I asked them to quote me on priming it as well (because I loved the price), in which case they added like 628 to it or something, so the initial total bid from them was like 2128 or something. Then I asked them to requote if I got everything done together and match my other lowest bid of 1800 and they did.

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Based on the SF. We'd price doing it in the $2K Range ($1800 to $2200). Dependant on the details (Number of corners, soffits, more difficult areas).
By the way, if I had this contractor (quoted) come in and do my house for 2,000, does that mean he's a sh*tty contractor? Does that mean he does crappy work? It works out to around 35-45$ a board (4x8), which I read was pretty common. The 'average' of my estimates was up in the 55-60$ area...which I've also read is common, depending where it is being done at. And I read that doing smaller jobs means a higher price generally...

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It's great to check references, but highly overrated IMO

Anyone who is not a complete idiot will only give you names of the people that they know were happy with the work. The last time you changed jobs did you list your ex wife's mother or your parole officer as a character reference? for all you know the people you called are the home or cell numbers of his employees!!

Go down to the county clerks office and see if there are any recent small claims cases against this guy, i bet those names weren't on his list of references.

As for the guy who didn't measure the room,
if your room is pretty straight forward, you don't have to be Rainman to be able to tell how many sheets you'll need just by looking around ( or counting studs if they are exposed) , and even if your off 20% it's not a lot of $$ worth of material

Not trying to scare you or be an SOB, but i am always interested in understanding why people who demand the best think it can be done by the low bidder. I guess it's the same reason Depot and Lowes are filled every Saturday morning with their legions of dissatisfied, but loyal customers.....

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I don't mind your comments at all, and I thank you for being concerned and bringing up points and things to think about. I found this guy online through a site like SafeQuote that is supposed to screen their contractors, and also have reviews posted. I don't think the contractor can take down a review about them being posted on a site they belong to such as this...but I suppose they could be selective in what they post. I guess the best thing would be to check the clerrk's office...

But for the record, I had another offer that matched the price ...

About that highest bidder, wouldn't be smart to measure everything? The other 5 did. Wouldn't you want to be sure you're not over or underquoting your customer by getting as exact as you can with your numbers? If he doesn't even take the time to measure it out and give me as accurate of an estimate as he can, what would you expect his mudding job will look like?

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measure everything?? Got that right, not so much for over bidding, but more so for UNDER bidding!
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Let us know how the project moves along (not just the drywall stuff).

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I'd post some pics of how the basement is now but my pics are over 1MB and I need to shrink them down significantly.
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Throwing out the 33 and the one unlicensed you have 4 bids with two at 20% under and two at 20% over the average price of 2200. NONE at the average price.

If the first is licensed and insured and has good references why would you not try him. Definitely check with the License bureau and the BBB or local small claims. I think I understood you to say he came from a referral site, so he is probably new, eager and pretty good. He may be slightly under pricing the work, or maybe just has lower overhead. Remember it is not what someone else charges, but what you need to make a living that sets your price.

I say try him and make sure you spell out what is and is not included and inspect in the contract along with the payment schedule, and the start and completion dates. That way they don't string the job out and try to fill in with better paying work.

Have him break it out for you in hang time, tape time and primer time, just rough so you can make sure he is on schedule and then let him go to it.

Three days hang, three days tape, two days prime, = 1 week, in my guess and one of those prime days is a fudge day.
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Thanks Mr. Photo, a mighty helpful response. I'm meeting with him tomorrow to go over all of the details. Remember that originally he was at 2200 or so then he matched the other 1800 bid to get the business. So I will tread softly and make sure everything is written and get a decent timeline drawn out. I don't mind if he takes a bit longer just as long as he gets the job done correctly.

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