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Old 02-05-2010, 11:03 AM   #16
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I had to tell the guys to NOT put tape on the bottom of the window as that is what Pella says. I have seen the tape done both ways.

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I had to tell the guys to NOT put tape on the bottom of the window as that is what Pella says. I have seen the tape done both ways.
The bottom should NEVER be taped. In terms of top and sides, the OLD way was to wrap the tyvek into the hole, then tape the window flange to the tyvek. Then when people started noticing that tyvek can fall apart over the years, it is now official policy of every manufacturer and procedure that the flange be taped to the sheathing and housewrap goes over it. Anybody still taping to the wrap is outdated and uninformed.
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do you know of a good company in the Chicago area? thanks
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The bottom should NEVER be taped. In terms of top and sides, the OLD way was to wrap the tyvek into the hole, then tape the window flange to the tyvek. Then when people started noticing that tyvek can fall apart over the years, it is now official policy of every manufacturer and procedure that the flange be taped to the sheathing and housewrap goes over it. Anybody still taping to the wrap is outdated and uninformed.
Actually Tyvek falls apart from UV rays when it isn't covered up quick enough.
The house wrap is our rain shield.
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It is covererd with siding. Just have to flash the windows properly in the spring.

Which brings up a final question for a solution.

Since my carpenter didn't install the windows properly with the building paper over the top of the windows (he went under and then taped it to the top of the window) wouldn't it make sense to leave it and then flash with aluminum over the top of that?

What I mean is that I don't want to make a problem worse by trying to pull off the tape, cutting and damaging the building paper. Rather, slide the aluminum flashing under the building paper higher than the top window flange. So any water that runs down the building paper hits the aluminum first before hitting the taped window flange.

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Actually Tyvek falls apart from UV rays when it isn't covered up quick enough.
The house wrap is our rain shield.
I realize that it is the rain shield, however that does not change the fact that wrapping the tyvek into the opening on all sides is deemed incorrect . Further, I have personally seen siding jobs (not new construction) where the tyvek is disintegrating years later. I can't say the specific reasoning for this, but unless UV rays pass through vinyl, that isn't why. This isn't an isloated thing either, I'm sure there are a lot of other pros who have seen the same.
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I realize that it is the rain shield, however that does not change the fact that wrapping the tyvek into the opening on all sides is deemed incorrect . Further, I have personally seen siding jobs (not new construction) where the tyvek is disintegrating years later. I can't say the specific reasoning for this, but unless UV rays pass through vinyl, that isn't why. This isn't an isloated thing either, I'm sure there are a lot of other pros who have seen the same.
Haven't had much for wall coverings up here older than 10 years or so. The ones I have seen that were deteriorated were homeowner jobs that took months to get covered.

There is one house down the road from me that they put an addition on 3 years ago. They still have not sided it. You can hardly read the name on the wrap.

The Rep at a sales meeting said that the deteriaration is caused by UV rays and not getting covered. I can't say I have seen any other Tyvek on our jobs that was that way without it being exposed for long periods. Usually it was a slow, incompetent contractor or homeowner. Usually that is why we are there......to fix the mistakes.
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The bottom should NEVER be taped. In terms of top and sides, the OLD way was to wrap the tyvek into the hole, then tape the window flange to the tyvek. Then when people started noticing that tyvek can fall apart over the years, it is now official policy of every manufacturer and procedure that the flange be taped to the sheathing and housewrap goes over it. Anybody still taping to the wrap is outdated and uninformed.
So, the question is....do I remove the TAPE on the top of the window, cut just the Tyvek on top, then tape the Window flange to the sheathing? Or just cut the tape and the Tyvek so as not to destroy the Tyvek by ripping off the tape? Thanks
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The proper sequence is : flange caulked to sheathing, tape over flange, tyvek over tape.
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earlier versions of tyvek did break down under the cladding

that tyvek had a very smooth texture, the newer ''improved'' tyvek has sort of a checker board texture and supposedly does not get brittle
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do you know of a good company in the Chicago area? thanks
At my own properties, I use:

http://www.swistun.com

they perform the highest quality replacement siding jobs I've seen - they are absolutely meticulous in their detailing.

(For the record, my only business relationship with Swistun is writing them large checks.)
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Thanks everyone for the comments. Here is the rest of the story:

1) For the new Pella Windows that were not taped properly, they installed a drip cap over the top of the aluminum window cap. I made them tape the drip cap to the sheathing and not the Tyvek. So, if water comes down the wall beneath the siding, it will hit the drip cap first and not the Pella window that is taped to the Tyvek. This was less work than having to remove the Aluminum window capping and filler wood on the top. Luckily, the 2nd floor windows are right under the 2' overhang so I didn't worry about those.

2) For the old windows, those are in the process of being all redone with adding aluminum capping that is flashed on top and caulked on the inside Aluminum capping to inside of window.
I ended up hiring a different siding company to fix the problems.
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I have aluminum flashing behind the J-Channel / Siding and over the top of a ledger board for a deck(bolted to house). Should that also be taped to the Sheathing? I don't think it is taped to the Tyvek or Sheathing.

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