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Old 09-25-2006, 05:32 AM   #61
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Today I attended a workshop on framing and he suggested that I put a vapor barrier against the cement blocks, then the insullation and then another vapor barrier, and then the drywall.
Do I need to do this?
Two vapor barriers-one on either side of the insullation?
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This question has 2 answers to it. Yes and No.

Since it is not appropriate to directly post information from another source on the internet because of copywrite laws, I will direct you to 'Wikipedia' on the internet. Look under: "Vapor Barriers". In this section, go to the very last paragraph on the Vapor Barriers page. The paragraph starts off with: "If you finish your dry basement....." and ends before 'helpful links'.
If you are unable to find this information I am directing you to, PM me (Private message me on this site) and I will send the link to you.

Also, in the article...they speak of a drain plane. This is essentially a 2" space between the studs and the concrete wall. I had mentioned this to you in an earlier post.

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Old 09-25-2006, 08:19 AM   #62
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Sorry I didn't read message in the weekend... only during weekdays...

anyhow... water problem has to fix 100% before attempt on renovation on basement...

the black paper is just to fulfill the code... it is not really try to waterproof the basement... it must has it's reason... but I do not know 100%...

furnance room need two things: combustion air and return air. combustion air can be eaily taken care either by opening vent from the wall or use vent door(don't know how to name those)... return air you need to bring it from the floor level up and from the open area...

good lucks... like Atlantic said... fix 100% water leaking first before renovation... even it leak a little bit... should fix it first...
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Old 09-25-2006, 08:27 AM   #63
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I will look up that site and let you know.
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Thanks for the info. kui****g

I will definitely have to take care of the leak first before anything else.
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I just realized you add a second floor... basement renovation to you then should be a much smaller project... I suppose you hire company to do that... if you can add a second floor yourself... you should know a lot for basement renovation... if you intend to apply for permit... you may need to open your heat vent at the floor level as that is a requirement for us in Markham area... I did that myself and didn't find it too difficult... it gives you advantageous as heat going from lower to higher level.. keep your basement warmer I meant...
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Old 09-25-2006, 09:21 PM   #66
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I did contact the contractor that did my house just to see if I could have him do it.

And what I told him I wanted was to have the basement studed and drywalled. No flooring, no painting, no trim ( I would do all that myself) and he quoted me $9,000 for that. The total area to be covered with drywall including the ceiling would be 1900 square feet.

I think this is too expensive, for just studs against the perimeter of the basement and drywall, including just the taping....nothing else.
I did not want any plumbing or electrical done.
I still think $9,000 is too expensive. (It's not that I don't have the $9,000, it just seems a little too expensive for what I wanted to do)
I guess maybe it is just not worth his time.

So, I am determined to do it myself.

The heating vents are in the ceiling and I think I will keep them there because I don't know how to do that stuff.
And basically I plan to use the basement as a very large play room for the kids, with a TV, computer, etc. Not to sleep in or anything like that.
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Old 09-25-2006, 09:43 PM   #67
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I did find the information in wikipedia.
I did read the section that you referred me to.

What I gather is that I don't really need two vapor barriers?
One between the drywall and insullation will probably suffice?

Did I understand that correctly?


thanks for that link, was informative.
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I think it is ok not to have plumbing done if you don't need it... but for lighting, you may want to considered it... as a bright basement is really important for it to be consider nice play area... it is not difficult to do the electrical... but it takes time... for the heat... I don't know the difference... but it is not difficult to bring it down either... all you need is to find a good spots to bring down... but I agree with you... even contractor don't do that... just the city requires me to do... I was surprised in the beginning and a bit scare of the work as well... but once start it... it is not difficult and rather quite fast to do...

I just realized you talked about total "covered" area... I thought you meant your basement area is 1900sqft... that is quite large... for total cover area 1900 sq ft... I really do not know how much it is to compare ... I left this to other people to comment...


don't be surprise when you do it yourself it will somehow cost more for you in materials as you do it yourself, you normally go for extra in materials like I do for various things... but then you get a better end product... I visited some people's basement which can tell right away it is cheaply done.... I would rather not doing it than finish somthing which is not nice and comfy...anyhow.....

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I did find the information in wikipedia.
I did read the section that you referred me to.

What I gather is that I don't really need two vapor barriers?
One between the drywall and insullation will probably suffice?

Did I understand that correctly?


thanks for that link, was informative.
YES, you read correctly.
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Y.M.,

My advice: Take a whack at doing it yourself.

$9,000.00 is on the high end. If he is a builder, he is used to doing large jobs (Building entire homes and additions = $$$), So he is in it for a good profit. That price he gave you has a decent sized profit and expense coverage worked into it.

You could get a lower price. However, speaking from what I have seen all too often when it comes to finishing a basement: the problem is that there are TOO MANY hacks out there that will give you a lower price and do a horrible job.
Again, Give it a try. Worse case scenario is that you start it, get frustrated and have to go out and find someone to finish it. That just means that you will get a lower price since you will have some of the materials there and part of the work already done.
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Thanks for the advise Atlantic:

I am definitely going to try it myself.
I am somewhat mechanically inclined and I can read instructions pretty well.

(My husband is not mechanically inclined, --(he has a masters degree in philosophy- very abstract thinking, not mechanically inclined.)
Mind you, I can do abstract thinking also, I have degree in psychology, (sure does not help me when trying to do framing (lol) but I also have a mechanical mind.

So, therefore, I will tackle it myself.
I did tell the contractor that I will end up teaching him a few things as I am learning the "proper way" of doing things, from Atlantic and Kui****g.

Actually, I already found out that he did not include a king and jack stud in the doorways, from what I remember when he did my home.

Thanks a bunch

And I will keep you informed, of my slow process in renovating my basement.
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Thanks for the advice.

And I agree with you when you say that I can do a better job than the contractor!

Also, I will add some lighting in the basement. I do have 3 small windows but I could use some pot lighting throughout.

But I don't think I will do the electrical myself. I have a friend that will do that for me.
As to plumbing, I only really need to move the washer over about 5 feet. That is really about it.

Otherwise, it is pretty straight forward. Only need to cover furnace, that is it.
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For a lady to tackle a basement project... I really amazed... I hope your husband will be your assistant though... to give you confident... I also never do renovation before... and I am so far so good..... doing it slow has an advantage, many things you can think it over many time before doing it... when you are at bed... taking shower...etc... you can have many good ideas before implementing... Good luck and enjoy the project... on the other hand, friend of mine said I will give up in the middle as he saw many people do... so I think the difference is really if one has the interests in what he/she is doing... I hope you do...
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My basement is probably as big as yours.

The total is l900 square feet, including the ceiling to be drywalled , so the floor space is approximately l000 square feet. It is not very big.

My house is 2100 square feet, (lst floor and second floor and then another l000 for the basement.
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Thanks for the advice.

I told my husband, whether he likes it or not, he has to help me lift the drywall!
He said he will help me whenever I need help.
(But I will definitely be the boss and organizer of the project. (lol).


You are right when you say that taking your time is a good idea, as I do think about it over and over again before deciding what to do.

And also you learn a lot, as you go.
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