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tns1 10-14-2013 07:22 PM

attaching undermount sink
 
Is is necessary to use the fastening clips for an undermount sink? The sink I have chosen is a tight fit in the cabinet, and I doubt there is room for screws around the perimeter of the basin. I thought I could just use a good industrial adhesive to bond the sink to the granite beforehand. If necessary I could install some wooden blocks in the cabinet after.

Daniel Holzman 10-14-2013 09:18 PM

I have put in several undermount sinks in granite. In each case, the granite was drilled and tapped by the granite fabricator, and accepted a stainless steel screw that held a clip in place. Perhaps you can install using adhesive only, I have not seen it done.

tns1 12-20-2013 11:59 AM

The installer did not place inserts. Instead he mounted two wood rails in the cabinet to support the sink and then caulked the sink & cabinet and laid the granite on top. It seems very solid.

oh'mike 12-20-2013 07:01 PM

I don't like that sort of install--I've seen it many times and most times it works well---However,I've seen several failures----

Chances are you are good-----I prefer the clips-----You will see----

Live_Oak 12-21-2013 10:27 PM

Mechanical fastening is the preferred method. If you don't have room for clips, then your sink is too large for it's base and you should choose a smaller one.

tns1 03-09-2017 11:51 AM

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Three years later, and no problems with this type of install. The method the installer used was to attach a 1x3 "rails" to the vertical cabinet panels (3/4 plywood) on each side of the sink. Since the sink just barely fit between these panels, the rails created plenty of support along the sink edge, and would be as strong as strongest part of the cabinet. The mounting was done so the sink rim sat proud of the plywood top by maybe 1/16". I was concerned that this could "high center" the granite adding stress but the installer seemed to know what he was doing, and it was only a 6ft countertop anyway. The sink was set in the cabinet first, then the granite was placed on top.

An installer has got to love this since there is no drilling or waiting for epoxy to set. It does seem to take greater care/effort to align the cutout while you are setting the granite, and your framing has to be strong.

I am now making cabinets for a cast iron undermount kitchen sink and plan to do it in a similar way. I plan to router a step into the plywood top for full rim support, plus add framing underneath. My only question is if the sink should be flush with the plywood top or if it should sit proud as the prior installer had done.

Thoughts?

ddawg16 03-09-2017 11:57 AM

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Interesting....

In my case, I have a 3/4" plywood base the granite sits on. I trim the plywood so the sink sits in it. Granite goes on top.

123pugsy 03-09-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tns1 (Post 4042897)
......................I plan to router a step into the plywood top for full rim support, plus add framing underneath. My only question is if the sink should be flush with the plywood top or if it should sit proud as the prior installer had done.

Thoughts?

I did this, and dead flush. The sink is going nowhere. No framing below though.

The installers used silicone. I wouldn't let it sit proud though. The silicone will fill a slight gap.

RickMacKay 03-19-2017 09:52 AM

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You will need a mechanical fastener--i.e. clips. A bracket might work, but something might happen to it down the road....stranger things have happened. If you rely on just silicone or adhesive, this will happen. To save money, a client hired some hack outfit to install tops and a sink.

MTN REMODEL LLC 03-19-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RickMacKay (Post 4076097)
You will need a mechanical fastener--i.e. clips. A bracket might work, but something might happen to it down the road....stranger things have happened. If you rely on just silicone or adhesive, this will happen. To save money, a client hired some hack outfit to install tops and a sink.

And I've seen clips fail......

(I'm personally found of a sturdy designed rail frame system. But I think that many installers are reluctant to take the time and effort to complete that on site.... with each cabinet being different and in effect requiring a somewhat custom system. Rather they defer to universal type clip system.

Note DAWGY and PUGZY did their own rail sysyem... obviously taking the time to construct it appropriately... I would be much more confident in Dawgs and Pugs system/work....)

123pugsy 03-19-2017 11:08 AM

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Here's a pic of mine before the top was dropped on.

RickMacKay 03-19-2017 05:52 PM

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That system works great, unless of course the sink gets damaged and needs to be replaced .

123pugsy 03-19-2017 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RickMacKay (Post 4077529)
That system works great, unless of course the sink gets damaged and needs to be replaced .

Lucky for me that I'm a stainless steel sheet metal guy........:wink2:
The repairman lives in the house.

I tell everyone to use the thickest sink they can find. This one is 16 ga so it will take a lot of abuse.

MTN REMODEL LLC 03-19-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RickMacKay (Post 4077529)
That system works great, unless of course the sink gets damaged and needs to be replaced .

Rick..... I would agree.... that's a potential issue.... I've never really had a sink fail.... but I generally have installers (or myself) only minimally caulk/glue down the counter/granite/silestone.... more so if I would want to change out cabinetry in the future...

I still do that... although at my age.... I don't anticipate it being my issue in the future.:wink2:

(I just took out a vanity with a integral corian sink in it, and the cabinet was to be repurposed to a garage. The installers had caulked it in for an earthquake or I don't know what......:vs_mad:)

But I think you bring up a great point....!!!!!!!! that in many applications, we should pay attention to disassembly if there may be likely changes in the future.

Best

123pugsy 03-20-2017 05:48 AM

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Yep. The only way to do something is to be prepared to change out the whole top.


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